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  1. page Curtis Bonk Ustream Interview edited 02:03 mrsdurff : off topic - loved the wedding pics! 02:03 carolinegoodman : new to ustream. too …
    02:03 mrsdurff : off topic - loved the wedding pics!
    02:03 carolinegoodman : new to ustream. too cool
    02:03 Jackson224 : okay
    02:03 hawaiianbrat96 : I am new to ustream also
    02:04 mrsdurff : he did hit record, right?
    02:04 snbeach : smile to Lisa
    02:04 snbeach : yes he is recording
    02:04 hawaiianbrat96 : He said he did
    02:04 mrsdurff : good
    02:04 erhubbell : hi Tony Davis
    02:07 mrsdurff : that is Skype doing that choppiness - nothing to be done i think
    02:07 willrich45-2 : is it bad?
    02:07 mrsdurff : yup
    02:07 Jackson224 : broken audio
    02:07 erhubbell : little hard to understand
    02:07 hawaiianbrat96 : choppy, hard to understand
    02:08 Jackson224 : try with just his video?
    02:08 willrich45-2 : k
    02:08 julener : Loving this...I am getting 10 computers now for one of the schools in Tanzania that I work with...
    02:08 mrsdurff : Ghana?
    02:08 julener : And, I have more coming for other schools.
    02:08 mrsdurff : wow
    02:08 hawaiianbrat96 : That is awesome!
    02:09 Jackson224 : great!
    02:09 julener : I've sent some before, but they need updated.
    02:09 snbeach : I can live with it
    02:09 eherreid : a little choppy from curtis
    02:09 snbeach : it is doable
    02:09 julener : I can live ith it.
    02:09 eherreid : can live with it
    02:09 mrsdurff : you might try to re-establish the call
    02:09 Jackson224 : same...
    02:09 snbeach : hi everyone
    02:09 hawaiianbrat96 : It is okay, still choppy
    02:09 maiden : you- perfect him- little choppy
    02:09 snbeach : I am Sheryl
    02:09 mrsdurff : yes snbeach it is worth it
    02:10 snbeach : Do any of you have questions for Curtis? I can start to compile them and feed to Will
    02:10 snbeach : just type them here
    02:11 mrsdurff : where is the url to purchase his book?
    02:11 julener : Now, I'm trying to get a set of MacBooks for the regional office of Jane Goodalll's Roots & Shoots in Kigoma (near Gombe) so students can make documentaries...
    02:12 mrsdurff : exactly - let them construct their learnings
    02:12 mrsdurff : the bleeding edge
    02:12 hawaiianbrat96 : learning by doing
    02:12 mrsdurff : ouch
    02:13 mrsdurff : there is learning in establishing the connection to begin with
    02:13 mrsdurff : connectivism
    02:13 hawaiianbrat96 : constructivism and connectivism
    02:14 snbeach : It is an emergent theory
    02:14 mrsdurff : it's a process
    02:14 snbeach : intuitively it makes great sense.
    02:14 hawaiianbrat96 : It does
    02:14 mrsdurff : we are doing that
    02:14 snbeach : Any questions for Curtis
    02:15 mrsdurff : we are constructing our learnings by being here
    02:15 hawaiianbrat96 : The only question I have Sheryl is where could I purchase his books?
    02:15 snbeach : We will post the titles sec
    02:15 mrsdurff : where will the book by on sale - is there an url?
    02:15 robinheyden-1 : A question for Curtis: Can he give us a specific example of a strong activity (perhaps from his new book?) for techers to use to facilitate online learning for students. In my conversations with teachers, I'm often in need of a quick, cogent, and powerful example to show them what I mean.
    02:15 maiden : good question
    02:16 snbeach : http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Curtis%20J.%20Bonk&page=1\
    02:16 mrsdurff : thanks
    02:16 hawaiianbrat96 : Thanks Sheryl
    02:17 snbeach : I have it hawaiian and have passed it to Will
    02:17 mrsdurff : Joh Sealy Brown - does he have a website?
    02:18 julener : http://php.indiana.edu/~cjbonk/
    02:18 willrich45-2 : too choppy?
    02:18 mrsdurff : wearing a headset may improve audio
    02:19 hawaiianbrat96 : better
    02:19 mrsdurff : yes
    02:20 Jackson224 : Audio is good but the reverb happens when without headset
    02:20 snbeach : more is more I love it
    02:20 snbeach : Have him stay close-- it sounds better.
    02:20 hawaiianbrat96 : I noticed he is scooting back and it is getting a little choppy again
    02:20 mrsdurff : he gets focused in the words and that is wonderful
    02:21 hawaiianbrat96 : Question: What would Curtis offer as advice for those teachers who are not ready to get on board with online learning and integrating such skills into the classroom? I find I am constantly bumping into teachers like this.
    02:21 mrsdurff : is the world really flat?
    02:22 hawaiianbrat96 : lol -with the older educators, yes, in technological sense
    02:22 mrsdurff : yes me too
    02:22 mrkimmi : I think we are all finding teachers like that...
    02:22 mrsdurff : hi kimmi
    02:22 mrkimmi : I doubt there is any one way to reach them.
    02:22 mrkimmi : Hello durffinator
    02:22 mrsdurff : not just older ones
    02:22 hawaiianbrat96 : I am a pre-service teacher and it aggrevates me that my college boasts online learning and integrated technology into educaton and I get to observe teachers who are opposed to it completely
    02:22 hawaiianbrat96 : True, not just older, just those who are not computer literate
    02:23 snbeach : open up your hearts to each other- informal nature.. all key strengths for online CoP
    02:23 mrsdurff : i see pre-service who are so opposed to tech
    02:23 hawaiianbrat96 : Really?
    02:23 mrkimmi : I think it depends on what shcool you attend
    02:23 mrsdurff : project based learning = constructing your own knowledge ?
    02:23 snbeach : I was quoting him as he talked -- not my ideas
    02:23 hawaiianbrat96 : My college is all for it. When it is first introduced, they are hesitant, but once they see it in action, they are on board.
    02:24 mrsdurff : no audio
    02:24 mrsdurff : he is baack
    02:24 snbeach : there is something about learning through immersion
    02:24 hawaiianbrat96 : learning by doing - my motto
    02:24 mrsdurff : yes -= it engages
    02:24 erhubbell : i think a lot of pre-service teachers are users of technology themselves, but aren't necessarily taught how to use it with students
    02:24 hawaiianbrat96 : Well, I am sure it was coined somewhere else. lol
    02:24 snbeach : Those of us who have been at this awhile all cut our teeth on Papert
    02:25 snbeach : Amen
    02:25 hawaiianbrat96 : True, I know many of my peers are still trying to understand how to integrate it, but are at least open to it.
    02:25 mrkimmi : I agree wiht erhubbel
    02:25 mharlan : it needs to meet learners (teachers) where they are at and when they need it in order to be effective, love the informal nature commentd he made
    02:25 mrsdurff : what does he think about Heppell's idea of "nearly there" and how do those spaces affect learning?
    02:25 mrkimmi : Bringin in the rleuctant, I think you have create some sort of situation where it becomes important to them
    02:25 hawaiianbrat96 : I always feel like a techie-geek when I do my presentations and lessons in peer classes because I integrate a lot of technology
    02:25 mharlan : kimmi- exactly
    02:25 snbeach : I am so intrigued by Roger- I would love to work with him on projects.
    02:25 mrsdurff : really?
    02:26 mrsdurff : not hearsd of papert?
    02:26 erhubbell : mrkimmi - agreed. Create a "want" and "need" for integration
    02:26 mrsdurff : and they went to college?
    02:26 hawaiianbrat96 : I agree with that also mrkimmi and erhubble
    02:26 mrkimmi : We find reasons to come here for what we want, they need to come for themselves
    02:26 snbeach : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Papert
    02:26 hawaiianbrat96 : The Internet is such a great source to be adaptable to all learning styles
    02:26 erhubbell : YES!
    02:26 hawaiianbrat96 : That alone is a great tool!
    02:26 hawaiianbrat96 : mrkimmi - agreed!
    02:27 mrsdurff : Qt: what does he think about Heppell's idea of "nearly there" and how do those spaces affect learning?
    02:27 snbeach : we now have the tools available to support what Papert dreamed very easily
    02:27 mrkimmi : Show them how they can communicate with family that lives far away
    02:27 mrkimmi : or how they can connect with other knitters, or what ever their hobby is
    02:27 hawaiianbrat96 : Expansive!
    02:28 snbeach : My favorite book by Papert- # Mindstorms: Children, Computers, and Powerful Ideas, 1980, ISBN 0-465-04674-6
    02:28 hawaiianbrat96 : We just got my husband's aunt - almost 60 - on the laptop and Internet this summer and she is so for it! Others her age in her area are frightened! LOL
    02:28 mrsdurff : ok then we see it
    02:28 erhubbell : @snbeach hear, hear!
    02:28 hawaiianbrat96 : Awesome zoom.
    02:28 julener : And, how to you get teachers engaged in global education and collaboration...when they are still focused on their own curriculum, etc.
    02:29 mrkimmi : I like what he is saying
    02:29 julener : Salt the hay...??
    02:29 mrkimmi : move tech into a low-risk area in the day
    02:29 mrkimmi : Don't start with reading or math, a place being tested by NCLB
    02:29 hawaiianbrat96 : julener - very good question. Many of us teachers have curriculum set up around 'the test'. How do you incorporate into that?
    02:29 erhubbell : much clearer!
    02:29 mrsdurff : so just by constant exposure is what one does with reluctant tech integrators
    02:30 hawaiianbrat96 : YAY! CLEAR!
    02:30 snbeach : I used Curtis' mentoring characteristics as a piece of my mentorhsip research
    02:30 mrsdurff : it was the Skype demons
    02:30 hawaiianbrat96 : lol
    02:30 mharlan : find the tools that work within the standards,
    02:30 julener : yes...in fact, I did a retreat for Indiana Supertintendents on web 2.0 and also on global ed...and how do we still address state testing was the big question.
    02:30 snbeach : http://www.curriki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
    02:30 mharlan : it is there, you can use the tools to still meet the areas being tested
    02:31 julener : How do we change the system to address the way students need to learn.
    02:31 hawaiianbrat96 : It is hard to do, especially in school districts like mine. I am in Las Vegas NV - they are very hesitant to do it more than school by school basis.
    02:31 cbeard : Julener, start with something simple: wikis and vocabulary.
    02:31 cbeard : Everyone teaches vocabulary. It's a good entry point.
    02:31 mrsdurff : what about those who don't have access are not included in this flat world?
    02:31 cbeard : Things can develop from there.
    02:31 TS92turbo : SHUT THE <censored> UP NERDS
    02:31 TS92turbo : LOL
    02:31 TS92turbo : <censored> NERDS
    02:32 TS92turbo : SHUT UP <censored>
    02:32 TS92turbo : big nose!
    02:32 TS92turbo : NERD <censored>
    02:32 TS92turbo : WOOOOO!
    02:32 mrsdurff : we need a moderator
    02:32 mrkimmi : Shouldn't someone have taught this person some ethics
    02:32 hawaiianbrat96 : Starting small is definitely key
    02:32 julener : Yep...I teach that and share the basics in keynotes and workshops. But, the bigger picture of fixing the testing system looms...
    02:32 mrsdurff : UbD?
    02:33 hawaiianbrat96 : I suppose that guy would be the reason why some districts are hesitant about online collaboration and learning
    02:33 hawaiianbrat96 : Understanding By Design?
    02:33 hawaiianbrat96 : UBD?
    02:33 mrsdurff : ustream allows moderation
    02:33 julener : Grant Wiggins' book - backwards design
    02:33 hawaiianbrat96 : I love project-based learning
    02:33 mrsdurff : Universal Desiogn - Grant Wiggins & Somenbody McTighe
    02:34 julener : Agreed
    02:34 hawaiianbrat96 : Students, especially once they get into middle and high school, do not get enough of it
    02:34 snbeach : Need to show growth over time
    02:34 snbeach : not grades
    02:34 snbeach : not one end measure
    02:34 hawaiianbrat96 : I agree!
    02:34 julener : I love the comment he made at the beginning about the kind of knowledge and learning changing...
    02:35 hawaiianbrat96 : Go Web 2.0! :D
    02:35 snbeach : http://mediatedcultures.net/ksudigg/?author=1
    02:35 mrkimmi : You know what is funny, I went to Kansas State and did not here about Mike Welsh until I was out for three years
    02:35 julener : With that, testing seems to need to change to something that shows that students know how to contsruct knowledge, find information, have digital literacy, yada yada...
    02:35 hawaiianbrat96 : I have heard his name in passing
    02:36 hawaiianbrat96 : Our testing is for the stone ages compared to what the students need to be prepared for the world outside of high school
    02:36 snbeach : I would love to know some of the titles on his bookshelf
    02:36 snbeach : behind him
    02:36 hawaiianbrat96 : I have been thinking that this whole time Sheryl! LOL
    02:36 mrsdurff : he should do a Shelfari
    02:36 hawaiianbrat96 : Then again, I am a bookworm
    02:37 mharlan : I love the comments on ebook idea - awesome
    02:37 mharlan : like diigo or clipmarks kind of
    02:38 julener : Love Flips! The students at Suumu Secondary School in TZ took my flip and shot video all day!!
    02:38 mrkimmi : Sounds liek the smae struggle we are having with conferences releasing their content freely
    02:39 hawaiianbrat96 : YES! BOOKS!
    02:39 mrkimmi : Silly fingers of mine
    02:39 hawaiianbrat96 : bottom
    02:40 mrsdurff : this one's for you
    02:40 hawaiianbrat96 : lol
    02:40 hawaiianbrat96 : please
    02:40 hawaiianbrat96 : LOL Nice!
    02:41 hawaiianbrat96 : My aunt has that book on her shelf in Hawaii
    02:41 mrsdurff : ha the conversations
    02:41 mrsdurff : bingo
    02:42 mrsdurff : but there is tenure
    02:42 mrsdurff : stops innovation
    02:42 wjohnsen : snbeach -- you share the article from Monday's paper about VB strat. plan?
    02:43 mrsdurff : that is where the cutting edge is located
    02:43 mrsdurff : in the flow
    02:43 mrsdurff : that russian guy said about flow
    02:43 snbeach : no wjohnsen- do you have the link?
    02:44 erhubbell : Mihály Csíkszentmihályi
    02:44 hawaiianbrat96 : definitely ecclectic
    02:44 mrsdurff : yea him
    02:44 mrsdurff : hi jack
    02:44 snbeach : hi Jack
    02:44 erhubbell : hi jack
    02:45 hawaiianbrat96 : Hello Jack!
    02:45 mrsdurff : how does he put up with Bonk?
    02:45 wjohnsen : snbeach..can't find it right now..have a pdf
    02:45 mrsdurff : like MITOpencourseware
    02:45 snbeach : YES!
    02:46 snbeach : Open aCCESS to scholarly articles is huge
    02:46 mrsdurff : i listen to iTunesOnline often
    02:46 mrsdurff : ERIC is going online too
    02:46 wjohnsen : snbeach - found it.
    02:46 mrsdurff : used to be those machines in libraries
    02:47 mrsdurff : they always broke on me
    02:47 snbeach : share it bill
    02:47 hawaiianbrat96 : Thanks for sharing Jack!
    02:47 wjohnsen : From local paper... http://hamptonroads.com/node/474341
    02:47 snbeach : type in where you are
    02:47 mrsdurff : Maryland
    02:47 mrkimmi : Salina, KS
    02:47 julener : Mem;phis, TN
    02:47 wjohnsen : Vrignia Beach
    02:47 erhubbell : McREL in Denver, CO
    02:47 hawaiianbrat96 : Las Vegas, NV
    02:47 snbeach : virginia Beach
    02:47 mharlan : california
    02:47 robinheyden : Boston, Ma
    02:47 ewargo : Medford, NJ
    02:47 Jackson224 : Boston
    02:47 cbeard : Indiana
    02:47 maiden : NC
    02:47 eherreid : winston salem, nc
    02:47 gkennedy : Philadelphia PA
    02:47 mrsdurff : bye jack
    02:47 heatherdowd : Dixon, Illinois
    02:48 hawaiianbrat96 : I can barely hear you Will
    02:48 willrich45-2 : can someone remember to copy and save the chat please....
    02:48 snbeach : turn up your volume
    02:48 mrsdurff : turn your volume up
    02:48 snbeach : I got it Will
    02:48 willrich45-2 : how is that?
    02:48 mrsdurff : perfect
    02:48 Jackson224 : good audio now
    02:48 erhubbell : http://www.plos.org/
    02:48 hawaiianbrat96 : It is up LOL
    02:49 mrsdurff : but if people dont' have enough to eat how will they ever access anything?
    02:49 hawaiianbrat96 : very true
    02:50 snbeach : That has been going on since public school was first created though
    02:50 mrsdurff : If one is caught in a wrinkle as the wrinkles close to form this flat world your opportunities to escape the wrinkles decrease while those on top in the flat world ignore you more and more
    02:51 mrsdurff : there is an equity problem here
    02:51 mrsdurff : how will we address that?
    02:52 erhubbell : i know that PBS Kids is already trying to create early learning software for cell phones
    02:52 hawaiianbrat96 : The gap between SES classes is always going to be an issue
    02:53 mrsdurff : in 1st world countries the impact of cell phones will be great but not in 3rd world countries nor with those at the bottom in 1st world countries - they are still going to fighting for survival
    02:53 mrkimmi : We will alwawys have to struggle with gettign students to see them as learning tools
    02:53 hawaiianbrat96 : That is the advantage of being industrialized, we will always look for ways to move forward. In unindustrialized countries, they are just pushing forward to survive
    02:53 snbeach : That has always been an issue Durff- just before the technologies were tractors or pencils or running water
    02:54 snbeach : there will always be haves and have nots with technology
    02:54 mrkimmi : THey have spent so much time on them for fun, we have to get them to do some unlearning
    02:54 mrsdurff : we need to address it sheryl
    02:54 hawaiianbrat96 : very rue mrkimmi
    02:54 hawaiianbrat96 : true*
    02:54 hawaiianbrat96 : Did you hear that China surpassed how many people they have online compared to the US?
    02:54 mrsdurff : with that many minds in the conversation surely we could think of something to ameliorate
    02:55 snbeach : we are-- many of us very actively.. the point though is that we need to push hard forward
    02:55 snbeach : YES
    02:55 snbeach : I present on that
    02:55 snbeach : no
    02:55 hawaiianbrat96 : The students use texting and iPods for entertainment, we need to find a way to make the happy medium work in the classroom
    02:55 mrsdurff : you are in the minority sheryl
    02:55 snbeach : http://www.greenstar.org/butterflies/Hole-in-the-Wall.htm
    02:55 ewargo : Don't we have a responsibility especially with proliferation of technology to make sure the content, teaching, and learning is quality and not just replacing poor instruction?
    02:56 snbeach : no I meant I present on Hole in the Wall
    02:56 mrsdurff : google is the surface web
    02:56 mrsdurff : what about the deep web?
    02:56 snbeach : But I am not in the minority of those looking hard at the digital divide
    02:56 mrsdurff : i would hope not
    02:56 mrsdurff : but it is not what i observe
    02:57 snbeach : http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/india/thestory.html
    02:57 vvrotny : coming in late, what is the book that he is refering too and how can I obtain it.
    02:57 snbeach : love the video clip
    02:57 mrsdurff : hi vinnie
    02:58 snbeach : vvrotny.. sorry we cant tell you .. it is secret.. wink
    02:58 hawaiianbrat96 : Oh geez, I have online classes through my college, even if we have a campus class.
    02:58 hawaiianbrat96 : lol
    02:58 snbeach : http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Curtis%20J.%20Bonk&page=1
    02:58 vvrotny : @sheryl, thanks alot.
    02:59 snbeach : I think co-creation of learning objects will be more impactive
    02:59 mrsdurff : MERLOT?
    02:59 snbeach : http://www.merlot.org/merlot/index.htm
    03:00 mrsdurff : one can access encyclopedia's online via local libraries too
    03:00 snbeach : communities thrive when they are built around co-creation
    03:00 mrsdurff : and EBSCO
    03:00 heatherdowd : Wisc-online is another good repository like merlot.
    03:01 mrkimmi : Bob Sprankle was using that.
    03:01 snbeach : repositories and portals bore me-- but then it is probably just me
    03:01 heatherdowd : http://www.wisc-online.com/
    03:01 hawaiianbrat96 : I use LibraryThing. You can access your library on your mobile phone
    03:02 mrsdurff : if you want to pay to access the web via cellphone co
    03:03 hawaiianbrat96 : Well, mine comes with it. It comes in handy if I am looking for new books by an author in my library but cannot remember who it is or what book I am comparing to
    03:03 mrsdurff : SL?
    03:03 mrsdurff : wait
    03:03 mrsdurff : not that hard
    03:03 mrsdurff : if I can sl anyone can
    03:04 heatherdowd : Is library thing like shelfari?
    03:04 hawaiianbrat96 : Yes
    03:04 heatherdowd : Is librarything the one that Dr. Bonk just mentioned? I missed it.
    03:04 mrsdurff : yes
    03:04 hawaiianbrat96 : Yes
    03:04 snbeach : yes
    03:04 heatherdowd : thank you.
    03:04 hawaiianbrat96 : www.librarything.com
    03:06 snbeach : transparency of thought too
    03:06 mrsdurff : Qt: Is visualisation of thought the same or different than visual literacy? What does he think?
    03:06 erhubbell : Wordle
    03:06 erhubbell : LivePlasam
    03:07 erhubbell : plasma, sorry
    03:08 mrsdurff : clap clap clap
    03:08 hawaiianbrat96 : Thank you Curtis!
    03:08 ewargo : Thanks Will and Curtis! It was great conversation.
    03:08 heatherdowd : Could someone list the name the book again please?
    03:08 mrkimmi : Thanks!
    03:08 erhubbell : <applause>
    03:08 heatherdowd : Thank you!!!
    03:08 hawaiianbrat96 : applause, applause!
    03:08 robinheyden : Thank you - really interesting!
    03:08 erhubbell : thank you Will & Curtis!
    03:08 mrsdurff : and there they go................bye
    03:09 eherreid : thank you both
    03:09 hawaiianbrat96 : Now, that was an awesome experience for me

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Friday, July 11

  1. page Clay Shirky Ustream Interview edited 10:26 willrich45 : Mine would be an empty truck, two computers and a DV cam 10:27 dwaltman : i li…
    10:26 willrich45 : Mine would be an empty truck, two computers and a DV cam
    10:27 dwaltman : i like ooVoo interface but I don't think it can be recorded/archived/broadcasted
    10:28 dwaltman : looking forward to interview...I am almost through the book
    10:29 willrich45 : It can if you use Camtwist with Ustream...
    10:29 willrich45 : anything from the desktop can be pushed through
    10:30 dwaltman : learn something every day
    10:31 dwaltman : just for mac though?
    10:34 willrich45 : y
    10:34 willrich45 : but there is a PC equiv...can't think of its name offhand
    10:35 dwaltman : i am looking as Super Webcam now...
    10:43 snbeach : Hi chat room-- what's up!
    10:43 coten : first time viewer to ustream: not sure just how to begin. I'm not seeing a play button? hope to watch the clay shirky interview
    10:43 snbeach : @coten it is coming-- closer to 11am edt
    10:44 coten : will it play automatically
    10:44 snbeach : @coten it will play for you once Will and Clay come on.
    10:44 snbeach : yes
    10:45 coten : thanks so much
    10:48 snbeach : yes you sound great
    10:48 snbeach : absolutely!
    10:48 dwaltman : audio sounds good
    10:49 dwaltman : location? I'm near Rochester, NY
    10:49 snbeach : Virginia Beach, Va
    10:49 edueyeview : Lisbon, Maine
    10:49 dwaltman : i'm sure the twitter world will be joining shortly
    10:50 snbeach : Thanks Dwaltman
    10:51 snbeach : ustreamers- if you log in we can see your usernames
    10:51 dwaltman : @willrich45 how long are you planning for the interview...kids want to know lunch plans
    10:51 willrich45 : @45 mins or so
    10:51 snbeach : Will be easier when submitting questions during the interview to attach a name rather than a number
    10:52 jbecker : Here comes everybody to this interview...has that bad joke been used yet?
    10:52 snbeach : hahahaha
    10:52 willrich45 : nice
    10:54 akamrt : what is the process for submitting ?s
    10:54 JBurkeMaine : Got it. . .
    10:54 snbeach : We will submit in the chat room
    10:54 snbeach : I will scan for Qs
    10:54 JBurkeMaine : I see. . . that was a one to one, Sarah. .
    10:55 snbeach : and pass along to Will
    10:55 JBurkeMaine : <---dense old guy
    10:55 dserrato : hi all
    10:55 dserrato : hey jon
    10:55 jbecker : @snbeach...hope it's a little cooler in the eastern part of the state than here in Central VA
    10:55 jbecker : hey dan
    10:56 akamrt : @snbeach thanks!
    10:56 snbeach : ahhh that jbecker- Hi Jon
    10:56 ShawnKball-1 : any audio yet?
    10:56 snbeach : @akamrt.. welcome
    10:56 snbeach : nope ShawnKball not yet
    10:56 ShawnKball-1 : trying a diferent computer--new MacBook
    10:56 snbeach : Audio now
    10:56 ShawnKball-1 : thanks got some now
    10:56 snbeach : smile
    10:56 jbecker : @dan - early a.m in your part of the country, huh?
    10:56 dserrato : 8am
    10:57 dserrato : and already hot in Fresno
    10:57 snbeach : anyone else lose audio?
    10:57 snbeach : nevermind
    10:57 snbeach : whistling while we wait
    10:58 mrsdurff : i have no audio
    10:58 snbeach : @jbecker it is sunny and hot here at the beach
    10:58 akamrt : no audio here
    10:58 snbeach : @durff not suppose to yet
    10:58 jbecker : @snbeach -but at least you've got the beach!
    10:58 mrsdurff : ok worried me
    10:58 snbeach : @jbecker.. indeed
    10:58 JBurkeMaine : Gosh. . . quite a Maine contingent here this morning . . .
    10:59 JBurkeMaine : Hi Alice.
    10:59 Valaina : Is there audio?
    10:59 mrsdurff : more coffee...
    10:59 snbeach : While we are waiting for Clay to get his video connected-- let's give our locations
    10:59 JBurkeMaine : Will be, Valaina. . .
    10:59 snbeach : Va Beach , Va
    10:59 jbecker : Richmond, VA
    10:59 briangrenier : El Paso, TX
    10:59 Valaina : Manassas, VA
    10:59 JBurkeMaine : West Paris, Maine
    10:59 edueyeview-1 : Lisbon, ME
    10:59 darrendraper : Logan, UT
    10:59 dwaltman : Rochester NY
    10:59 teacherjim : Question for Clteacherjim-Belchertown, MA
    11:00 nnorris : Chicago, IL
    11:00 thart : Orono, ME
    11:00 dserrato : Fresno, CA
    11:00 featheredflowers : Kildeer, IIL
    11:00 mrsdurff : i have 11:00EDT here
    11:00 reggieryan : mt prospect, il- usa
    11:00 snbeach : We will be staring in minutes.. great representation from across US any international folks with us?
    11:00 snbeach : starting
    11:01 snbeach : of course we could stare too
    11:01 mrsdurff : Hagerstown, Maryland with decaf Starbucks
    11:01 ShawnKball-1 : Levant Maine
    11:01 dserrato : ohh, gotta get coffee before we start
    11:01 dwaltman : had audio...none now
    11:01 featheredflowers : no audio
    11:01 snbeach : We will start in just a few- Clay is with Will adjusting settings
    11:01 snbeach : dwaltman-- audio off for now
    11:02 teacherjim : Question: part 1 According to Coase ìAn organization will tend to grow only when the advantages that can be gotten from directing the work of additional employees are less that the transactional costs of managing themî
    11:02 teacherjim : Question paart 2It seems to me that this is what school boards look at when they decide on class size. If we think of students as mass produced products this makes sense, but we have to think of students as custom made products. It is the question of quantity vs. quality.
    11:02 dwaltman : echo
    11:02 reggieryan : audio OK
    11:02 jennylu : Jenny Luca here- 1.00am in australia
    11:02 dwaltman : echo
    11:02 mrsdurff : no audio
    11:02 teacherjim : OK
    11:02 ShawnKball-1 : good audio
    11:02 Jackson224 : ok
    11:02 dwaltman : echo
    11:02 alicebarr : we can hear
    11:02 mrsdurff : refreshing
    11:02 Valaina : yes]
    11:02 JBurkeMaine : Loud and clear here, Will
    11:02 snbeach : some delay.. but can hear
    11:02 dwaltman : echo
    11:02 akamrt : Loud and clear
    11:02 dserrato : I can here, but it gets a little choppy
    11:03 featheredflowers : yes
    11:03 edueyeview-1 : Audio is fine
    11:03 snbeach : We are live!
    11:03 Jackson224 : some reverb
    11:03 kstevens : not logged it. out to drop off money. envious of everyone here
    11:03 mrsdurff : no audio still
    11:03 jennylu : can hear fine
    11:03 snbeach : Hi everyone!
    11:03 dserrato : good title - chat captain
    11:03 snbeach : teacherjim I got yours..
    11:03 traceymcgrath : Hi Sheryl
    11:03 teacherjim : Thanks
    11:04 snbeach : hi tracey
    11:04 Jackson224 : yes
    11:04 ShawnKball-1 : all set
    11:04 teacherjim : yes
    11:04 dwaltman : yes...can hear Clay
    11:04 snbeach : Hi Clay!
    11:04 snbeach : yes we can
    11:04 Valaina : good Clay sound
    11:04 snbeach : woo hoo
    11:04 minznerjosh : sounds great!
    11:04 snbeach : sounds great
    11:04 mrsdurff : gonna try the laptop
    11:05 darrendraper : I'm so sorry I've got to run. :( Will try to drop in later or will have to catch the recording. Great stuff, Will and Clay - thanks for broadcasting this!
    11:05 jennylu : Dropping in out with audio for me- must be buffering
    11:05 snbeach : http://www.amazon.com/Here-Comes-Everybody-Organizing-Organizations/dp/1594201536
    11:05 snbeach : You can post your questions here and I will feed them to Will and Clay as they occur...
    11:06 bwoof : audio is great for us in Canada
    11:06 snbeach : cool thanks bwoof
    11:06 akamrt : ? How do you see the Tragedy of the Commons playing out in the education world? Will students take over the educational process if institutions don't begin to change how they view the entire process?
    11:06 snbeach : Thanks @akmart
    11:06 featheredflowers : Techtonics. Love the term.
    11:07 snbeach : akamrt
    11:07 beyondschool : audio good in Seoul
    11:07 snbeach : Welcome Seoul
    11:07 beyondschool : hello :)
    11:07 snbeach : We are glad you are here.
    11:08 snbeach : What does networked society look like as a whole?
    11:08 dwaltman : Literacy is so important....will this shift be able to overcome illiteracy for the world's poor?
    11:08 snbeach : awesome question dwaltman- thxs
    11:09 mrsdurff : i hope he is recording this
    11:09 beyondschool : i can't see how amateurization, volunteerism, and lack of institutional structure can guarantee coherent education for all students. so...
    11:09 snbeach : He is...
    11:09 snbeach : recording that is....
    11:09 featheredflowers : How do you see the digital divide impacting the future?
    11:10 snbeach : hmmm....
    11:10 beyondschool : i don't see how "unorganized" education can look. i'm trying.
    11:10 snbeach : I educated my kids through an unorg edc mode-- unschooling
    11:10 dwaltman : i think education will become less institutionalized and more individualized
    11:10 mrsdurff : ha sound - another USB drive died
    11:11 beyondschool : i'm talking about for all kids, not ones whose parents can afford it.
    11:11 snbeach : afford? not seeing that connection
    11:11 beyondschool : so far Shirky is talking within the school structure.
    11:11 akamrt : @beyondschool not unorganized - but allow students to organize their path, give them control over direction instead of prescribing it. Re-imagine the process so that it takes advantage of collaborative dynamics
    11:12 beyondschool : @akamrt so we're still inside of schools.
    11:12 akamrt : and the tools of group communication
    11:12 melching5 : I think this allows teachers to individualize more effectively for each student
    11:12 akamrt : sure - why not? Academic freedom needs to be redefined in terms of the students control over their learning program
    11:12 beyondschool : @snbeach kids whose parents work, are uneducated, whatever
    11:12 mrsdurff : people congregate around learning opportunities
    11:13 snbeach : Schools role is hosting edc encounters
    11:13 mrsdurff : schools have a view of themselves that they are indispensable
    11:13 plvitf : I think that if schools don't change and expand, they do become irrelevant.
    11:13 snbeach : schools are one node in the network of learning choices
    11:14 plvitf : @snbeach Those are two great quotes.
    11:14 mrsdurff : i think US schools are irrelevant
    11:14 beyondschool : @akamrt Shirky's thrust is "organizing without organization" - I guess I'm extending it to THE organization of schools.
    11:14 snbeach : @plvit one is Clay one is Will
    11:14 plvitf : @mrsdurff That's a very broad statement
    11:14 mrsdurff : organising without schools
    11:14 mrsdurff : it is broad and sadly true
    11:14 plvitf : @snbeach How polite of you to take credit... :)
    11:15 akamrt : @beyondschool schools provide the chance to learn, but rarely experience, what if a kid wants to study architecture and biology in order to earn become a biology architect . . . he knows best what he is looking to accomplish - let him design his program and offer killer courses for him to choose fro
    11:15 snbeach : @plvitf- Did I? I didn't mean to...
    11:15 bwoof : students still seem to want face-t0-face...i.e, for their sports, debate teams, etc.
    11:15 mrsdurff : i'm refering to the k12 public schools of course
    11:15 featheredflowers : How do you feel the shift will affect the profession of "teacher"?
    11:15 dwaltman : many teachers balk at collaboration or "group work" because of absenteeism, grading issues....need to find ways to overcome this
    11:15 mrsdurff : if we aren't working ourselves out of a job, are we doing our job?
    11:15 jennylu : @dwaltman Google Docs -can work on them at home
    11:16 bwoof : universities need to adapt their entrance models...as long as they admit on grades, then we feel the pressure for marks in K-12
    11:16 melching5 : @mrsdurff you should not lump all schools together. we are working within an imposed organizational structure and hoping to find ways areound it
    11:16 snbeach : @akamrt I so agree...
    11:16 mrsdurff : i feel that way strongly
    11:16 plvitf : @snbeach Oops, typed that wrong, I meant give them credit.
    11:16 mrsdurff : schools as we know them must implode
    11:16 snbeach : @plvitf oh good. Thxs
    11:16 akamrt : @dwaltman - the comunication tools the kids are using make attendence a non-issue, do kids need to be in a seat x-hours a week or is it about the new ideas they generate via real learning projects where they make something new out of what they learn
    11:16 dwaltman : anyone see Randy P.'s "last lecture"? i loved how he had students evaluate each other on their group contributions AND made it public to all participants
    11:17 mrsdurff : the entire political structure must pass away
    11:17 plvitf : @mrsdurff I think that there are too many people who complain about schools and not enough welling to step out on a limb and do something about it.
    11:17 mrsdurff : it is founded upon an industrial paradigm
    11:17 beyondschool : i'm with shirky here on schools providing basic skills - so up to middle school, maybe.
    11:17 plvitf : @mrsdurff I don't necessarily mean you, since I obviously have no clue who you are.
    11:17 beyondschool : i'm stuck questioning the value of high school.
    11:17 mrsdurff : i know that
    11:17 snbeach : Which thinking tools are best for which challenges...Clay said..
    11:18 featheredflowers : How do we ensure accountability of student learning as individuals?
    11:18 dwaltman : attendance seems to be necessary when groups present the "final product" of their collaboration....I've had teachers really complain about this
    11:18 snbeach : Post your questions for Clay here.
    11:18 ShawnKball-1 : Society has to change before we simply let kids stay home and on their computer instead of getting on the bus.
    11:18 bwoof : beyond school, I, too, question high schools and I'm a vice-principal of one!
    11:18 featheredflowers : I've posted 3 questions so far.
    11:18 mrsdurff : i think the idea of homeschooling is more relevant to the information age
    11:18 snbeach : I have shared them feathered flowers on a back channel
    11:18 mrsdurff : but age grouping is so confining
    11:18 ShawnKball-1 : it looks like we have to do more with self-reflection and structured e-portfolios
    11:18 melching5 : that is a quote! we are being forced to measure a vaery narrow set of goals
    11:18 bwoof : Clay, how do we 'assess' and get 'grades' that universities and colleges will accept?
    11:19 akamrt : @dwaltman that can be an issue - but if the experience is designed to spark the creative spirit that lurks inside each kid (via giving them more control) I don't think presentation attendence would be at issue
    11:19 mrsdurff : 66
    11:19 plvitf : To add on to bwoof's question, that multiple colleges and universities can agree on.
    11:20 beyondschool : drop out of high school, self-study for the GED and move on to college or life early - is that an option?
    11:20 mrsdurff : barriers to self-organisation
    11:20 wfryer : the key focus needs to be changing the high school bell schedule. That is challenge #1.
    11:20 cyndidannerkuhn : Hello from hays, KS
    11:20 snbeach : Apprenticeship is a real option...
    11:20 mrsdurff : hi cyndi
    11:20 snbeach : @cyndidannerkuhn welcome
    11:21 featheredflowers : How can education globally be offered equally when there are countries pushing aggressive initiatives toward others?
    11:21 mrsdurff : good qt
    11:21 bwoof : Do we as a culture value apprenticeships? Or do we think we all need to go to Harvard?
    11:21 beyondschool : so if "the role of the teacher is still essential", education doesn't parallel the media examples (blogs v. journalism, eg) shirky writes about in HCE.
    11:21 snbeach : Thanks @featheredflowers..
    11:21 dwaltman : the collaborative skills of our students is very low (middle-class district) ...I have seen kids organize occassionally around interest but not for learning or problem-solving
    11:21 wfryer : @featheredflowers define "aggressive initiatives"
    11:21 ShawnKball-1 : NWEA formative assessment can tell us where a child is along the learning continuum
    11:21 mrsdurff : so many countries seems ahead of USA
    11:21 plvitf : @snbeach Can you or will copy all of these quotes down in one of your blogs?? I can't type and listen that well :)
    11:22 snbeach : @plvitf sure
    11:22 mrsdurff : but there is still age grouping even in homeschooling
    11:22 snbeach : Not always mrsdurff
    11:22 jennylu : We have to remember they are still kids -they are still going to need guidance regardless of their ability to use the tools
    11:22 snbeach : Actually colleges seek homeschooled students out because they are self directed
    11:22 akamrt : @beyondschool teachers still very essential, they have the life/learning experience that allows them to design authentic learning architectures for students to learn and develop new thought around that learning
    11:22 wfryer : yes, gas prices are definitely making more people look at videoconferencing
    11:22 beyondschool : akamrt: up to middle school, i agree
    11:23 snbeach : yeah and I bet it will be someone in this group
    11:23 featheredflowers : hateful biased education that encourages aggressive attitudes toward others.
    11:23 mrsdurff : it would seem NZ and the UK are ahead of us
    11:23 snbeach : Let's start a college guys.. wanna?
    11:23 wfryer : every kid gets a laptop in public schools. that should be a given.
    11:23 akamrt : however, too much teaching is not designed for learning - it is designed for disseminating a particular POV
    11:23 mrsdurff : the wrinkles
    11:23 plvitf : @snbeach I'm up for it. I've always wanted to dabble teaching college classes.
    11:23 mrsdurff : how do we ensure people are not caught in the wrinkles
    11:24 snbeach : Mobile phones and gaming..
    11:24 dwaltman : being networked was always an advantage...it's not the ivy League education but the Ivy League connections that are valuable
    11:24 cyndidannerkuhn : I am in on starting that college, but lets leave the network nazi's out!
    11:24 teacherjim : Virtual High School is offering many students a quality ed outside the school buildings.
    11:24 akamrt : @snbeach count me in!
    11:24 mrsdurff : while the tops close appearing to be a flattening world?
    11:24 jennylu : @wfryer you still have to educate your teachers how to use professional networking tools - just getting a laptop won't do it
    11:24 snbeach : and we can network w/o traditional means
    11:24 nnorris : @snbeach - I'm in
    11:24 wfryer : getting a college which is "new" and created accredited and recognized is the key. What we need is an independent accrediting org which has street cred.
    11:24 ShawnKball-1 : virtual schools are the future for those who want to go above and beyond in grades 5-12 and college
    11:24 BethRitterGuth : hey all
    11:24 featheredflowers : Global Classroom
    11:24 mrsdurff : @teacherjim - but is there age grouping?
    11:25 cyndidannerkuhn : I agree WFryer
    11:25 teacherjim : Yes
    11:25 snbeach : @wfryer- depends on who is doing the accrediting
    11:25 wfryer : @jennylu of course! getting the tools in everyone's hands is job 1 however. That is the egg- without it we don't get a chicken.
    11:25 mrsdurff : i think the situation is even more urgent in k12
    11:25 wfryer : @snbeach right, but my point is we need other voices (nontraditional) than Southern Association and others
    11:25 Deacs84 : @snbeach I would argue that our ability to network this way trumps the network value that traditionalists have held so dear--and kept so "insider"
    11:25 snbeach : Post your Questions here for Clay and I will pass them on
    11:25 cyndidannerkuhn : NCATE is a tough process and folks generally are not very tech savvy
    11:26 ewargo : ISTE for accrediation?
    11:26 mrsdurff : school is a consumptive mode
    11:26 snbeach : @ Deacs84 good point-- back from your appt!
    11:26 mrsdurff : that is passive learning
    11:26 wfryer : not all schools even care about NCATE anymore tho, cyndi... UT Austin doesn't even mess with NCATE anymore
    11:26 mrsdurff : which is a BIG problem
    11:26 dwaltman : last year when I had a "post a comment on a blog" assignment, I had kids ask..."you want us to talk to strangers online?" and this was a totally serious concern for them...blew me away
    11:26 Deacs84 : No--I found wifi here at the dealership--and watching a student with her macbook taking online course! Go mini-cooper!
    11:26 snbeach : @wfryer so do we create our own accreditation process the way NBCT did
    11:26 wfryer : @ewargo maybe ISTE-- it needs to be an org / group with street credibility
    11:26 snbeach : through NEA
    11:27 cyndidannerkuhn : Yeah for Austin, wish that was the case where I am now and where I am going
    11:27 ShawnKball-1 : Parents are not ready for this change so kids cannot do it unles they have Geeky parents or peers that are hooked on learning. How do we focus their learning?
    11:27 wfryer : @snbeach I need to learn more about what NBCT did to answer that...
    11:27 mrsdurff : bingo
    11:27 mrsdurff : the parents aren't ready
    11:28 jbecker : there is an alternative to NCATE...it's called TEAC
    11:28 plvitf : I don't think the parents because we haven't made them ready.
    11:28 wfryer : @ShawnKball-1 you are right, most parents and teachers are not ready. that is why we can't put these changes up to a group vote. Leaders need to lead and bring along the sheep.
    11:28 mrsdurff : audio?
    11:28 Jackson224 : froze
    11:28 dwaltman : lost audio
    11:28 jbecker : audio?
    11:28 fsinfo : lost audio
    11:28 christytucker : video and audio froze
    11:28 snbeach : NEA decided they would create an accreditation process for teaching and develop NBCT process
    11:28 dserrato : lost connection
    11:28 minznerjosh : lost audio
    11:28 JBurkeMaine : Lost audio
    11:28 wfryer : audio is gone for me too
    11:28 snbeach : audio
    11:28 Jackson224 : reconnect?
    11:28 cyndidannerkuhn : no audo
    11:28 mrsdurff : oh so not just me
    11:28 bwoof : audio lost in Canada as well
    11:28 melching5 : froze
    11:28 BethRitterGuth : <censored> audio
    11:28 wfryer : we have crashed ustream....
    11:28 wfryer : :-(
    11:28 mrsdurff : oops
    11:28 snbeach : He is rebooting
    11:28 snbeach : playing elevator music
    11:28 BethRitterGuth : lol
    11:28 snbeach : juggling
    11:28 mrsdurff : you are so reassuring
    11:28 BethRitterGuth : see what happens when you post on twitter!
    11:28 featheredflowers : o
    11:29 JBurkeMaine : Anyone tap dance?
    11:29 metaweb : I saw it on Plurk
    11:29 jgates513 : @snbeach - don't sing!
    11:29 snbeach : hahaha@ BethRitterGuth
    11:29 featheredflowers : Hi fsinfo
    11:29 BethRitterGuth : I have plopped my plurk
    11:29 beyondschool : so jesus, socrates, and buddha walk into a bar...
    11:29 Deacs84 : Until we make the language "accessible" regarding the shift--make it less "edubabble" and "techy" then the parents and mainstream aren't going to get it. That is why i like Shirky's book. It is more linear and clear for non-intuiters to grasp
    11:29 JBurkeMaine : lol
    11:29 snbeach : S0-- BASED ON WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED SO FAR-- WHAT ARE YOUR TAKE AWAYS
    11:29 mrsdurff : @feather globalclassroom is pretty much in the USA, isn't it?
    11:29 wfryer : so what did NBCT do with accrediting?
    11:29 beyondschool : ...and the bartender says, "Wait a minute. I've already heard this one."
    11:29 akamrt : A key would be to design a teachers college that was predicated on the use of communication/collaboration tools that youth are already using - create a learning architecture with the indigenous technologies of today . . .
    11:29 nstearns : It's not so hard. Baby steps.
    11:29 jbecker : for those interested, www.teach.org
    11:29 featheredflowers : @wfryer not anymore
    11:29 jbecker : sorry...www.teac.org
    11:29 featheredflowers : I stretched it at NECC
    11:29 snbeach : @jgates513 frowning
    11:30 akamrt : then teachers begin entering the classroom with an acute understanding of the tools place in the architecture
    11:30 BethRitterGuth : teaching parents is so incredibly important
    11:30 featheredflowers : Hi jgates513
    11:30 BethRitterGuth : but, we have to reach them where they are
    11:30 jennylu : We need to find another way to sell it -we need to be preparing our students for the type of business world they will be entering - I think this is a way to convince paretns of the validity of getting their children involved in networked environments
    11:30 jbecker : NCATE says "here are our standards, tell us how you've met them..."
    11:30 metaweb : if ya wanna check out Lively .. stop by the EduBloggers Lounge http://tinyurl.com/5bntpl
    11:30 BethRitterGuth : have open house nights where they can see what their kids are doing
    11:30 notxes : best takeaway: social disconnection as important at technological disconnection
    11:30 dwaltman : Shirky, among others, make the point that significant change occurs when these tools are mainstream....which obviously hasn't happened yet....I see the most promise for the cell phone as the #1 tool
    11:30 beyondschool : snbeach: a conservative forecast: schools don't face the same challenge that mainstream media does. that's my takeaway.
    11:30 Deacs84 : Sheryl and Will's PLP model is a really good place to start building the community for teachers...
    11:30 snbeach : hahah Jbecker so true
    11:30 jbecker : TEAC says, "tell us what YOUR standards are and how you've met them..."
    11:30 mrsdurff : Family Internet Night @Beth
    11:30 snbeach : dwaltman in what way? tell me more
    11:30 snbeach : thanks Deacs84
    11:30 wfryer : @Deacs84 i agree to a point. we can't turn people off with acronyms and vocab they don't understand. but we also need people to learn new terms and concepts.
    11:31 mrsdurff : do you think he knows he is offair?
    11:31 Deacs84 : @dwaltman I agree
    11:31 snbeach : yes he does
    11:31 snbeach : working on it
    11:31 featheredflowers : @Deacs84 I agree and have collaborated a focused districts personalized idea.
    11:31 mrsdurff : ok
    11:31 dwarlick : Just came back in from conference in Madison. What happened?
    11:31 snbeach : He is rebooting
    11:31 dwaltman : @snbeach...you referring to the cell pone?
    11:31 snbeach : yes your comment
    11:31 Jackson224 : log out then log in ustream again or stay in room
    11:31 snbeach : stay
    11:31 snbeach : he will be back
    11:31 snbeach : Will is rebooting
    11:31 mrsdurff : hi mr warlick!
    11:31 featheredflowers : People already fear tech, why give them vocab that makes them think it is easy, therefore they feel dumb.
    11:31 akamrt : @snbeach the iPhone with its capability to download podcasts and vidcasts - if a prof records classes makes them available a student can manage their time without the seat time requirement
    11:31 wfryer : well, this is a fun way to spend part of my last morning working for "the corporation" :-)
    11:32 snbeach : We are down for a minute David.. they will be right back
    11:32 akamrt : @dwarlick are you still in Madison, is that Madison, WI?
    11:32 ShawnKball-1 : @wfryer: but schools change way too slowly. Is the only way to open alternative schools and get a big percentage to leave typical schools?
    11:32 dwarlick : Lo! all. Got to go now. Session's over and I have to leave the room -- the phsical room, that is.
    11:32 mrsdurff : sheryl is so positive and encouraging
    11:32 dwaltman : the cell phone will essentially be a handheld computer with all the collaborative tools available all the time....it's anytime, anyplace, go at your own pace learning
    11:32 snbeach : see you soon.. dwarlick
    11:32 jbecker : I'm blaming the outage to @dwarlick's arrival (-:
    11:32 metaweb : and we are back
    11:32 Jackson224 : on air
    11:32 christytucker : back on
    11:32 snbeach : ok back
    11:32 mrsdurff : @dwaltman it is now
    11:32 melching5 : we're on
    11:32 snbeach : yes
    11:32 featheredflowers : Global Classroom is creating a Mega Moodle for all
    11:32 dserrato : gotcha
    11:32 jgates513 : in an environment where the right click is disabled abd wikis are blocked, is a conversation about cell phones in the classroom worth the time?
    11:32 ShawnKball-1 : back on!
    11:32 dwaltman : must be will's new mac
    11:32 snbeach : they have been discussing take aways
    11:32 featheredflowers : Supported
    11:32 dserrato : its better now than before
    11:33 dserrato : no echo
    11:33 featheredflowers : shared
    11:33 wfryer : @ShawnKball-1 i agree the change is not and will not come from within schools. so charters and other out of traditional school venues are the keys for change
    11:33 beyondschool : good here.
    11:33 Vdub144 : Sorry about that Will - I touched the wrong plug...
    11:33 snbeach : yes
    11:33 snbeach : we are great
    11:33 Jackson224 : yes
    11:33 mrsdurff : good audio
    11:33 beyondschool : sounds like MY skype ringing :)
    11:33 fsinfo : we can hear now
    11:33 metaweb : oh oh gone again
    11:33 KarenJanowski : to foster change, must reach the opinion leaders
    11:33 metaweb : back
    11:33 beyondschool : pesky family!
    11:33 jbecker : @karenjanowski...who are the opinion leaders?
    11:34 ewargo : Rankings such as US News and World Report don't help with discerning good schools...
    11:34 wfryer : @KarenJanowski yes, i agree. so what are the most effective ways to reach opinion shapers, policymakers, etc?
    11:34 snbeach : See THIS Will- 11:32 dwaltman : the cell phone will essentially be a handheld computer with all the collaborative tools available all the time....it's anytime, anyplace, go at your own pace learning
    11:34 KarenJanowski : @jbecker - have to identify them - they are different in each situation
    11:34 featheredflowers : The idea of alternative schools is already out there from the past with the concept of Vouchers.
    11:34 snbeach : Watch Will multitask.. smile
    11:34 jbecker : @wfryer - see my post about going to CoSN instead of or in addition to NECC...that's where more "opinion leaders" are
    11:35 mrsdurff : disruptive innovation=education
    11:35 ewargo : Charter schools are huge in DE and some here in NJ
    11:35 drthomasho : We do just about everything ELSE with cell phones so why not learning?
    11:35 nstearns : Who needs an opinion leader? If you have a classroom you are a small baron/baronnette?
    11:35 Deacs84 : @wfryer Gladwell does an importnat job, as does Pink, of identifying the need to get the language right and it is our ability to tell the story that makes the difference. If we don't get better at figuring out where the other 80% of our society is, and crafting the "vision" such that they can grab..
    11:35 dwaltman : surprised Shirky is hesitant about cell phones
    11:35 jbecker : i'm VERY skeptical of using the charter school movement to advance a systemic reform agenda
    11:35 snbeach : Who has another Question?
    11:35 melching5 : @nstearns not completely true
    11:35 snbeach : Please post here
    11:35 mrsdurff : i disagree @nstearns
    11:35 Deacs84 : @..it, we won't have a tipping point
    11:35 fsinfo : Will is typing to someone else isn't he?
    11:36 ewargo : @nstearns great point about leading from the classroom...
    11:36 featheredflowers : If we could get more multi-age grouped classrooms and teacher looping rather than age specific and teachers only doing one curriculum without being aware of others, we could not sound so futuristic.
    11:36 nstearns : Is your school saying you can't use these tools?
    11:36 wfryer : @jbecker my view is that the charter school movement is where lots of innovation is happening. i don't see nearly as much innovation in traditional public schools.
    11:37 mrsdurff : @nstearns with the baron of the classroom i disagree
    11:37 wfryer : what about phones than can be on wifi? yes, clay is addressing this now...
    11:37 nstearns : Ah...How about Burgermeister?
    11:37 jbecker : @wfryer - maybe more "innovation" than traditional public, but they are still publicly financed and that's a real hindrance to change/innovation
    11:37 Jackson224 : I find that the phone is too small to use for extended use of time...but I agree that if we had peripherals it would be good
    11:37 shorwitz : Q for Shirky: What argument can be made to school districts that focussing on web 2.0 tech. can make economic sense in the SHORT TERM (which is all they can focus on)?
    11:37 akamrt : ? does the numer of tools matter? A computer or e-reader + a phone? Is that enough?
    11:37 Deacs84 : @snbeach I would like to ask Shirky about how to define what we want in language that will enable a society to grasp it
    11:37 snbeach : @featheredflowers agreed-- ever taught that way? It is such a better way to go.. kids grow exponentially.
    11:38 wfryer : @jbecker public funding for education is very important for the goal of universal education for all tho, don't you agree?
    11:38 dwaltman : @shorwitz....check out Google for Educators program
    11:38 shorwitz : @dwaltman thx
    11:38 ewargo : Teacher education is interesting but some research shows that it has little effect on teachers in the actual classroom - McKinsey & Co did some research
    11:38 beyondschool : QUESTION: What's your take on teachers going the ways of scribes? Of schools being challenged like the Church was by the abuse protesters?
    11:38 featheredflowers : If open source grows the parental generation of a standard will lose its argument and make access easier
    11:38 jbecker : @wfryer - can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm not so sure anymore...Horace Mann's dream may be fading
    11:38 melching5 : there is still NCLB that lords all...stuck in a cycle...you don't meet NCLB, they don't leave you alone to innovate...to meet NCLB there isn't nearly enough time to innovate
    11:38 wfryer : one of the most important keys for digital devices for learning is that the device permits content CREATION by users. We don't need to just buy students kindles, as they are currently configured.
    11:38 bwoof : Clay, does the speed of the techo changes in any way have implications for education? Are we going too fast for our biological systems?
    11:38 dwaltman : @shorwitz http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/edu/index.html
    11:39 mrsdurff : public education was not mandated for all until the industrial revolution
    11:39 jbecker : what is "public" anymore anyway?
    11:39 snbeach : here here jbecker
    11:39 KarenJanowski : @melching5 - do not agree that NCLB limits innovation
    11:39 melching5 : @jbecker government funded
    11:39 mrsdurff : who says other legislation will be created as a reaction to the information revolution?
    11:39 beyondschool : I take it when you folks ask questions of Clay, you mean that other Clay, yes? ;-)
    11:40 Deacs84 : @jbecker Applause. I agree about Public Education
    11:40 wfryer : @beyondschool we've seen teachers have a role forever. mentor/apprentice learning. roles have shifted and changed, but teachers have never gone away. i don't think they/we will in the future either. we're going to look different and do different things tho.
    11:40 snbeach : yes.. that other Clay..
    11:40 snbeach : hahah
    11:40 KarenJanowski : good teaching is good teaching and will meet NCLB
    11:40 jgates513 : AND the threat of lawyers involvement in the public bad behavior
    11:40 featheredflowers : We believe kids learn when it is just in time learning, but for teachers we pull or schedule, pay, credit, require, etc. learning in a forced memorization way instead.
    11:40 beyondschool : @wfryer: I mean SCHOOLteachers (and schools) which are recent historical accidents.
    11:40 dwaltman : what would happen if there was no public education...would society still see value and individuals take more responsibility for their own learning?
    11:40 wfryer : public documentation of constructive technology uses by young people is VERY important
    11:41 jbecker : @karenjanowski - would you consider re-framing that? Good learning is good learning and will meet NCLB?
    11:41 mrsdurff : before the child labor laws where 'adolescence' even a defined age group?
    11:41 wfryer : @beyondschool yes, i think that formulation of teachers is going to pass away (figuratively and literally)
    11:41 dwaltman : mulitasking myth...i will have to relisten to this interview without the chat room
    11:41 KarenJanowski : @jbecker - not sure what you mean, but I do know that just because we teach it doesn't mean they learn it
    11:41 melching5 : @ KarenJanowski true...but there is only so much time in a school day, certain communities are forced into government mandated "reforms" that are NOT educationally appropriate much less developmentally appropriate
    11:41 Deacs84 : Parents don't understand any of it. They only see Facebook, etc for the public display and possible predator risk...we're "still
    11:41 Deacs84 : having that conversation"
    11:41 featheredflowers : @dwaltman What would happen if there was no Professional Development...would society still see value and individuals take more responsibility for their own learning?
    11:41 mrsdurff : who says 'teens' should do any of those things?
    11:42 jennylu : @dwaltman John Medina says we can't multitask - I'm beginning to agree!
    11:42 KarenJanowski : @deacs84 - how many of us here are parents? WE GET IT!
    11:42 snbeach : yeah!
    11:42 mrsdurff : did they for most of human history?
    11:42 dwaltman : @featheredflowers...hmmm, personally yes....other staff members, not so much!
    11:42 Deacs84 : @featherflowers NO. Because there isn't time to do it. Parents aren't parenting, you think they would help their children LEARN?
    11:42 snbeach : finally
    11:42 snbeach : The other Clay
    11:42 jbecker : @karenjanowski - i'm just trying to move the focus from "teaching" to learning
    11:43 mrsdurff : the schools are challenged - internet
    11:43 Deacs84 : @karen Yes, you are right. But why am I being asked STILL to speak to parent groups that don't understand what is going on and what the possib are? We are a minority!!
    11:43 beyondschool : no, the recent priest abuse pushback from the Catholic laity in the last decade, Will
    11:43 featheredflowers : Teachers don't feel their learning is their responsibility. Someone else is supposed to determine what they need to know and how they will learn it.
    11:43 scmorgan : My own students said that to me: when they "own the companies" and do the hiring they will be more forgiving of the things adults criticize on social networks now.
    11:43 mrsdurff : sad
    11:43 akamrt : graffiti, while great art, is despised by most - not unlike the attitudes towards kids experimentation with tech tools to convey learning and emotion
    11:43 snbeach : bingo Feathered it comes down to education being a semi prof rather than a real prof
    11:43 KarenJanowski : @feathered - yes, is it time to get rid of district mandated PD and encourage self-learning and reflection. other professionals keep abreat of PD on their own
    11:43 featheredflowers : Do away with Tenure
    11:44 beyondschool : i'm just not getting why the building is necessary for the teacher.
    11:44 mrsdurff : collaboration is called cheating
    11:44 snbeach : Right Karen-- rather than mandated accountability-- how about mutual accountability
    11:44 featheredflowers : Business model makes professionals remain professional or they need to get out of the way for someone who is.
    11:44 jbecker : @karenjanowski - other professions do mandate certain numbers of hours of continuing ed.
    11:44 dwaltman : who has seen the "flipped classroom" model...
    11:44 melching5 : let's not teacher bash...not all believe that
    11:44 wfryer : @featheredflowers good luck with that. :-) You are right, of course, that the center of gravity for changing university culture is the tenure process.
    11:44 teacherjim : In vocational school collaboratin is everything
    11:44 KarenJanowski : @snb- you always have such a great way to articulate it!
    11:44 nstearns : @beyondschool Does F-2-F human interaction mean nothing?
    11:44 akamrt : took a class from @stager and he said, if you know something and don't share it - THAT is cheating
    11:45 ewargo : @feathered doing away with tenure requires change in admins - they need to know what is good
    11:45 jgates513 : i loved the assignment of WRITING a wikipedia article!
    11:45 featheredflowers : If students will have multiple jobs in life and need to learn and keep up to be a viable part of the market then so do teachers.
    11:45 snbeach : jbecker yes-- but they choose what their PD hours will be
    11:45 ShawnKball-1 : Adults will have to be more understanding that kids do some odd things as part of their development and it shouldn't stop them from moving on to great things. Skeletons are in most people's closets, right? Politics has shown us this.
    11:45 KarenJanowski : @jbecker - agree with sheryl
    11:45 beyondschool : nstearns: f2f is possible on a voluntary basis in the community, instead of by coercion in the classroom.
    11:45 melching5 : @feathered flowers..of course, as do all professionals
    11:45 jbecker : @snbeach - not so much, at least for lawyers
    11:45 jgates513 : http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Home+Family/080702/U070208AU.html
    11:45 tsand : make learning fun - everyone likes fun
    11:45 shorwitz : @jgates513 what a cool idea to assign writing a wikipedia article!
    11:45 jbecker : lawyers have to take "canned" courses
    11:45 KarenJanowski : if we ended PD, what do you think teachers would do about their own learning?
    11:45 featheredflowers : Rather than admin being only evaluators, why not peer input on colleagues teaching pros and cons?
    11:45 mrsdurff : teaching the text - it is really only a resource
    11:45 beyondschool : think of time saved on the commute, parlay that into social time.
    11:45 jbecker : same with psychologists
    11:46 wmelnick : Using technology in the classroom mandates learning new software and programs continually - this is either self-taught or at personal expense.
    11:46 snbeach : Teachers have little to no choice in what Cont edc hours should be.. just like edc is moving toward student directed learning so should it be with adult learners as well
    11:46 KarenJanowski : it's a $550 billion industry
    11:46 bwoof : Teachers should not assume that their learning is an administrator's responsibility
    11:46 jennylu : @beyondschool -social interaction with peers is still very important
    11:46 beyondschool : interesting.
    11:46 nstearns : @beyonschool Interesting. Do we all go to Starbucks? The library? My house?
    11:46 mrsdurff : mandated public education - not no education
    11:46 ShawnKball-1 : oops, no sound
    11:46 jbecker : is home schooling "unplugging from society"?
    11:46 mrsdurff : there is a difference
    11:46 ShawnKball-1 : ok now
    11:47 snbeach : there you go-- my point exactly to your "afford" point Beyond
    11:47 wfryer : lets face it, parents want and expect babysitting. that perception is a big obstacle to school change like we're discussing.
    11:47 featheredflowers : Why do schools still run on the harvest season calendar?
    11:47 Deacs84 : anyone else down?
    11:47 beyondschool : We get together f2f when we want, where we want. "flash ed-mobs."
    11:47 mrsdurff : aren't we doing that now?
    11:47 jbecker : @mrsduff - mandated learning, not public education?
    11:47 KarenJanowski : @wrfryer - do u really believe that - is that how you feel?
    11:47 mrsdurff : everyone here for example
    11:47 scmorgan : @jbecker not unplugging, becoming more a part of society
    11:47 ewargo : @feathered I agree last month of school is all about shutting down the school just to start in Sept..
    11:47 Deacs84 : @wfryer Our society is structured on it.
    11:47 melching5 : @ feathered flowers, we are on a year round schedule...not harvest
    11:48 wfryer : @featheredflowers schools are governed by conservative boards and have conservative cultures by and large which do not value and reward innovation. hence we still have the old calendar.
    11:48 mrsdurff : so why not facilitate students to do the same?
    11:48 jbecker : @wfryer - have you read Schank and Jona's piece: Extracurriculars as the Curriculum?
    11:48 snbeach : wfryer that is because many see edc as indoctronation of citizenship
    11:48 wfryer : @KarenJ I think that is an accurate observation. I'm not saying I think that's how parents should be. I'm saying that is how many parents ARE that I know.
    11:48 dwarlick : Is the audio going out a lot?
    11:48 ShawnKball-1 : Think of it ---flexibility!!!! It would be good for all to learn when it is most convenient for them and be year-round
    11:48 akamrt : school government is vested in maintaining status quo - new learning architecture may very well mean new board organization
    11:48 snbeach : woo hoo
    11:48 dserrato : great job and thanks for hosting the interview
    11:48 snbeach : thanks Clay
    11:48 desertjul-1 : thank you!
    11:48 fsinfo : thanks
    11:48 mrsdurff : @wesfryer which is why I feel mandated K12 will dissolve - probably violently
    11:48 akamrt : Thanks!
    11:48 Jackson224 : thanks will
    11:49 beyondschool : thanks will, clay.
    11:49 tsand : thanks Clay
    11:49 Deacs84 : thanks!!
    11:49 teacherjim : thanks will and clay
    11:49 wfryer : @snbeach yes, many view public education more as indoctrination than an opportunity to become free and critical thinkers
    11:49 ewargo : thanks Will and Clay!
    11:49 mrsdurff : only 81
    11:49 featheredflowers : Why not make students teach too? Learn and turn around and teach others. Part of learning is being able to relearn, remix, and share.
    11:49 melching5 : thanks will
    11:49 dwarlick : Is it over?
    11:49 ShawnKball-1 : Awesome event! Thanks! no worries!
    11:49 beyondschool : damn technology
    11:49 wfryer : yes, thanks to all for this!
    11:49 jbecker : Will - Conan and Letterman should fear losing their jobs!
    11:49 jennylu : Thanks for doing this Will.
    11:49 dwaltman : so much fun! and i got a question commented on by Shirky...awesome!
    11:49 snbeach : yes D warlick it is over
    11:49 traceymcgrath : Thanks Will, Clay and Sheryl for a great interview!
    11:49 dwarlick : Dang!
    11:49 wfryer : i hope you recorded this will!
    11:49 snbeach : he did Wes
    11:49 mrsdurff : Pesce!
    11:49 ShawnKball-1 : is there need to continue after interviews?
    11:49 scmorgan : Thanks Will and Sheryl
    11:49 beyondschool : save the chat and the video!
    11:49 wfryer : @snbeach great :-)
    11:49 snbeach : I sure will
    11:49 Deacs84 : Thanks Sheryl, Will!
    11:49 snbeach : send it right away
    11:50 desertjul-1 : Great modeling Will!
    11:50 dwarlick : Can't hear it anyway. Back to Games+Learning+Society Conference
    11:50 snbeach : hahah
    11:50 ShawnKball-1 : to better reflect and further the discussion
    11:50 mrsdurff : and there he goes
    11:50 KarenJanowski : will, impressive how you can multitask
    11:50 snbeach : there he goes
    11:50 wfryer : oops
    11:50 bwoof : goodbye from Canada
    11:50 beyondschool : bye all - the other Clay.
    11:50 Deacs84 : bey all
    11:50 wfryer : well, this was fun folks. thanks to all, and thanks @snbeach for facilitating!
    11:50 featheredflowers : I wrote Moodle Magic: Make It Happen and am finishing Open Source Opens Classrooms offered through FTC Publishing.
    11:50 ewargo : take care everyone!
    11:50 melching5 : @ a hui hou from hawaii
    11:50 Deacs84 : bye all (I need typing skills)
    11:50 dwaltman : bye everyone...thanks @snbeach
    11:50 mrsdurff : that was the highlight of my midmorning
    11:50 willrich45 : Thanks everyone...hope you found it useful
    11:50 Deacs84 : @featherflowers Just got email from Global Classroom today on Moodle. thanks.
    11:50 edueyeview-1 : This was great - thanks! Looking forward to more in the future.
    11:51 mrsdurff : @willrich45 interview Mark Pesce
    11:51 coten : great first experience with ustream thanks will
    11:51 featheredflowers : @Deacs84 featheredflowers on skype.
    11:51 willrich45 : durff I might
    11:51 mrsdurff : :)
    11:51 mrsdurff : bye NJ!
    11:51 Deacs84 : @featherflowers LauraWD on Skype, Deacs84 on Twitter
    11:52 Deacs84 : Will-glad to be able to join in--
    11:52 christytucker : great stuff, thanks for doing this Will and Sheryl
    11:52 Deacs84 : thank everyone
    11:52 ShawnKball-1 : kimballs on twitter; love learning in a community setting.

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  1. page Konrad Glogowski at NECC edited 09:36 BarbNebraska : Sound? 09:39 khokanson-1 : still no sound :( 09:39 csessums : all's quiet o…
    09:36 BarbNebraska : Sound?
    09:39 khokanson-1 : still no sound :(
    09:39 csessums : all's quiet on the western front
    09:40 teacherman79 : hey
    09:40 teacherman79 : I am in two places at once
    09:40 csessums : K is quite the dancer
    09:41 teacherman79 : no sound here or there
    09:41 csessums : Hi Will!
    09:41 csessums : sound!
    09:41 teacherman79 : sound
    09:42 willrich45 : sorry
    09:42 teacherman79 : sweet
    09:42 willrich45 : ok now?
    09:42 teacherman79 : cool
    09:42 csessums : thumbs up!
    09:42 njtechteacher : Good morning. Sound is great thanks.
    09:42 BarbNebraska : Thanks!
    09:42 teacherman79 : thank you
    09:43 Rodd_Lucier : Clear sound, front row view... Thanks Will.
    09:44 alanlutz : Good morning. Thanks Will. joining from OC, CA
    09:44 teacherman79 : I am watching in two places
    09:45 Rodd_Lucier : First time attending PD from cottage country in Sault Ste. Marie, ON
    09:46 teacherman79 : great falls, montana here
    09:46 cogdog : top of the morning from Strawberry, Arizona thx Will
    09:47 jokay : hi to everyone from the Islands of jokaydia in Second Life!
    09:47 teacherman79 : hey Jokay
    09:47 jokay : We have a small group gathered here in bar jokaydia listening in on our fabulous neighbour Konrad ;)
    09:47 nnoakes : hey cogdog!
    09:47 cogdog : hiya Nick, Jokay
    09:48 mrsdurff-1 : ty will
    09:48 mrsdurff-1 : hi jokay
    09:50 Jackson224 : connecting from Boston, thanks for streaming
    09:51 mrsdurff-1 : coffee!
    09:51 annabel : Hello everyone ... Annabel form Jokaydia in SL
    09:51 BarbNebraska : May I ask the title of this seminar?
    09:51 Jose_327 : hello
    09:51 mrsdurff-1 : hi boston, i'm in maryland
    09:52 mrsdurff-1 : Blogging Communities
    09:52 mrsdurff-1 : by Kenrad
    09:52 mrsdurff-1 : Konrad
    09:52 BarbNebraska : @mrsdurff, is this for High School students?
    09:52 jennylu : Watching from Melbourne,australia- trying to keep my eyes open -nearly midnight.
    09:52 mrsdurff-1 : and don't ask to spell his last name
    09:52 mrsdurff-1 : hi jenny
    09:52 BarbNebraska : @mrsdurff, LOL, that's ok!
    09:53 jennylu : Hi Mrs Durff!
    09:53 Jose_327 : 0952 here
    09:53 mrsdurff-1 : Konrad teaches ms i think
    09:53 Jose_327 : Morning
    09:53 mrsdurff-1 : morning
    09:54 Rodd_Lucier : He is a teacher in Toronto who has been investigating his students' use of blogging and other tools...
    09:54 teacherman79 : Hi jennylu
    09:54 BarbNebraska : @Rodd, thanks!
    09:54 jennylu : Hi Jeff
    09:54 teacherman79 : How are you ...
    09:54 Jose_327 : hi jenny whats up down under?
    09:54 teacherman79 : Tech is cool...
    09:54 jennylu : Tired!!
    09:55 Jose_327 : i here ya
    09:55 jennylu : It'd cold - a miserable day here
    09:55 BarbNebraska : Is he the teacher that did the Veteran interview project?
    09:55 mrsdurff-1 : Konrad said at educon "No one wants to listen to me." The room was packed. Is it the same there?
    09:55 Jose_327 : Tuesday morning there already
    09:55 Rodd_Lucier : Community leads to deeper more meaningful relationships...
    09:55 mrsdurff-1 : no Batb
    09:55 mrsdurff-1 : barb
    09:55 BarbNebraska : @mrsdurff, thanks
    09:55 dlaufenberg : streaming from Ecuador... can't believe it's actually streaming...
    09:55 mrsdurff-1 : that was Wes Fryer
    09:56 jennylu : @jose_327 Tuesday nearly here -2 mins
    09:56 mrsdurff-1 : cathedrels of learning
    09:56 jmoose311 : yeah, this is a good stream
    09:56 BarbNebraska : Yes, thank you, a great stream!
    09:56 csessums : hmmm... is that ethical to teach kids to steal?
    09:56 mrsdurff-1 : shhh
    09:57 Jose_327 : i'd like to travel to Austraila some day
    09:57 jmoose311 : copyright laws are entering a gray area now
    09:57 csessums : seriously?
    09:57 jmoose311 : seems that way
    09:57 mrsdurff-1 : finally
    09:57 jennylu : it's a great place to live
    09:57 jmoose311 : depends on the country you're from, too
    09:58 jmoose311 : the majority of kids, for instance, don't see anything wrong with downloading and sharing music
    09:58 jmoose311 : generally the same with software and movies
    09:58 csessums : ethical behavior transcends political boundaries in many respects, no?
    09:58 csessums : but it's not legal
    09:58 jennylu : I think we need to qualify with our students why we are breaking copyright laws!! Usually in our cases because it facilitates great learning opportunities
    09:58 jmoose311 : it also doesn't help that the American organizations RIAA and MPAA have acted unethical themselves in trying to enforce the law
    09:58 Jose_327 : i copy everything
    09:58 Jackson224-1 : I missed the beginning of this session. Is the presenter using a web page or a ppt
    09:58 Jose_327 : i don't care what RIAA sez
    09:59 jsommermeyer : looks like ppt
    09:59 teacherman79 : hehe...
    09:59 teacherman79 : He is using second life and ustream
    09:59 csessums : stealing as a teachable moment?
    09:59 csessums : what about proper citation?
    10:00 jennylu : I want my teaching to be meaningful - not irrelevant
    10:00 BarbNebraska : My principal, a former English teacher, would want to know how is the grammar on their webpages!
    10:00 Jose_327 : RIAA will destroy itself soon, now they are saying even radio stations playing tunes is illegal
    10:00 jennylu : Yes teach about proper citation - use it as teaching moments
    10:00 teacherman79 : easy to cite in a blog
    10:01 teacherman79 : very easy...hyper link it
    10:01 csessums : mash-up vs stealing, right?
    10:01 mrsdurff-1 : overattention to grammar etc stifles passionate writing
    10:01 mrsdurff-1 : "school writing" is not passionate
    10:01 BarbNebraska : @mrsdurff, many parents can't get past that!
    10:02 mrsdurff-1 : tough
    10:02 teacherman79 : this is the digital age...
    10:02 mrsdurff-1 : they need to
    10:02 teacherman79 : remix and use your resources
    10:02 jmoose311 : I agree with that remark. It doesn't make sense that students are writing assignments only the teacher will read.
    10:02 mrsdurff-1 : exactly
    10:02 jmoose311 : Any teacher who gives writing assignments should set up blogs for their students
    10:02 mrsdurff-1 : i have had kids rework blog posts to better the communication
    10:03 teacherman79 : Kids don't care about copyright....
    10:03 jennylu : when kids know theur work has a wider audience they pay attention to the writing- they don't wnat to look dumb
    10:03 willrich45-1 : How is the stream out there?
    10:03 jmoose311 : then students can share those assignments with others, get feedback, etc.
    10:03 mrsdurff-1 : parents should understand that
    10:03 cogdog : stream is lovely
    10:03 mrsdurff-1 : stream is good
    10:03 teacherman79 : stream is great here
    10:03 Jose_327 : and now for some more marvelous philosophies
    10:03 jsommermeyer : so his basic premise is to have students blog about things they are passionate about
    10:03 willrich45-1 : cool
    10:03 jennylu : OK -buffering a bit annoying
    10:03 teacherman79 : slides are good in second life...
    10:03 jsommermeyer : will stream is perfect in Oklahoma City
    10:03 mrsdurff-1 : jenny - change the buffer to
    10:03 jmoose311 : that's one premise
    10:03 willrich45-1 : @js Yes...have to give them freedom
    10:04 teacherman79 : Blogs are about sharing...
    10:04 mrsdurff-1 : jenny click on menu
    10:04 willrich45-1 : Audience nodding about the waste basket remark
    10:04 teacherman79 : Is sharing illegal
    10:04 mrsdurff-1 : slide the slider to
    10:04 jsommermeyer : so each student in his class has a blog?
    10:04 justinreeve : that's how it should be, yes
    10:04 willrich45-1 : Yes
    10:04 teacherman79 : yes each student
    10:04 jsommermeyer : I missed the beginning...
    10:04 mrsdurff-1 : depends on who you ask jsommermeyer
    10:04 Jose_327 : the dew kisses the morning grass
    10:04 jennylu : slide it to what??
    10:04 Jose_327 : CLASS
    10:04 jsommermeyer : cool... those public or private?
    10:04 justinreeve : I can see some classes where blogs wouldn't be necessary, but teachers shouldn't be afraid to give students PUBLIC blogs
    10:04 Jose_327 : WAKE UPPPPPP
    10:04 Jose_327 : LOL
    10:05 justinreeve : then teach them how to use them properly and responsibly
    10:05 csessums : @jose_327 sister mary?
    10:05 Jose_327 : ah well no one likes my jokes
    10:05 mrsdurff-1 : online safety and ethics
    10:05 Jose_327 : yeah
    10:05 jennylu : @justinreeve- my feelings exactly -school community more hesitant
    10:05 justinreeve : and I think it should just be standard, when teachers are writing their disclosure statements for parents to sign, to include statements on web usage and that their students will be posting writing to the web, etc.
    10:05 Jose_327 : ZZZZZZ zzzzzzzzzz ZZZZZZZZ zzzzzzzzz
    10:05 mrsdurff-1 : Sr.Mary?
    10:06 justinreeve : I think the main problem is that teachers just don't understand the benefit. Once they see the benefit, they're generally happy to jump on board.
    10:06 justinreeve : Parents are the ones you need to convince too, though
    10:06 Jose_327 : vodka in that cup
    10:07 csessums : teacher quality seems to be a major underlying issue here
    10:07 mrsdurff-1 : that is guts
    10:07 Jose_327 : copy and paste
    10:07 jennylu : Got a couple of ultra worried parents- freak out at the mention of a public blog
    10:07 justinreeve : yeah, exactly
    10:07 justinreeve : we have more than a couple
    10:08 Jose_327 : did you all hear about Al Gore's new invention?
    10:08 jennylu : Have you succeeded with public blogs
    10:08 mrsdurff-1 : she needed to communicate to her connections
    10:08 svandyk : Have you invited the worried parents to observe or participate in the blogging?
    10:08 mrsdurff-1 : sound familiar?
    10:08 willrich45-1 : Share your blog with them.
    10:08 KarenJanowski : @jennylu - it's all about how it's presented
    10:08 jennylu : They see my blog
    10:08 Jose_327 : $10 a gallon gas!
    10:08 mrsdurff-1 : who will?
    10:09 jennylu : School good at promoting my blog -will chip away
    10:09 justinreeve : in our district, we've set up employee blogs with WordPress MU, and it's been a HUGE hit. Now I'm trying to encourage teachers to extend this capability to their students. We can't officially support student blogs at this point, since we don't have the resources to monitor them on a district level
    10:09 teacherman79 : Jennylu has an awesom blog
    10:09 KarenJanowski : parents want to see how their tax dollars are being spent - they use tech., want to see it's use with their students
    10:09 mrsdurff-1 : hmmm school=control
    10:09 justinreeve : but I'd like to see teachers do it on a classroom-by-classroom basis
    10:09 jennylu : @teacherman79 thanks jeff
    10:09 KarenJanowski : what's is jennylu's blog link?
    10:09 teacherman79 : blogs are free...
    10:09 csessums : teacher = no control with blogs?
    10:09 jsommermeyer : did he mention what software he is using to support student blogging?
    10:09 justinreeve : but just setting up edublogs or something is a good way to go
    10:09 justinreeve : not sure, jsommer
    10:10 svandyk : lifetype ?
    10:10 willrich45-1 : I think he uses 21Classes.com
    10:10 csessums : blogs = chance of chaos!
    10:10 willrich45-1 : Great tool
    10:10 njtechteacher : I didn't hear him say, but I'm pretty sure it's 21 classes
    10:10 willrich45-1 : @csessums That's a good thing
    10:10 mrsdurff-1 : http://jennylu.wordpress.com/
    10:10 jsommermeyer : thx!
    10:10 willrich45-1 : ;0)
    10:10 dlaufenberg : k... spoke too soon about good streaming from Ecua... need to bow out... bandwidth is WAY slow this morning... enjoy all!
    10:10 mrsdurff-1 : chaaos=learning
    10:10 csessums : literacy development! hell yeahs!
    10:10 KarenJanowski : thanx @durff
    10:11 jennylu : Thanks mrs durff was just finding the link you beat me to it
    10:11 teacherman79 : welcome jennylu...i use it...all the time...thank you for sharing so much
    10:11 teacherman79 : sharing is not illegal...
    10:11 mrsdurff-1 : you are googleable
    10:11 jennylu : So nice of you to say that!
    10:11 csessums : depends on what you share, no?
    10:11 jsommermeyer : 21classes looks cool...
    10:11 jennylu : Digital footprint -this can turn parents around I think
    10:11 teacherman79 : true csessums...that is where citing comes in...
    10:11 BarbNebraska : Got to head out, Thanks Will for streaming!!!!!!!!!!
    10:12 mrsdurff-1 : no sharing is legal depending on the involved parties
    10:12 justinreeve : bye Barb
    10:12 mrsdurff-1 : it is not the sharing that is illegal
    10:12 mrsdurff-1 : it is the attitudes that take people to court
    10:12 jsommermeyer : if I share copywrighted music ona CD... that's illegal...
    10:12 csessums : greed, perhaps
    10:12 KarenJanowski : are the biggest obstacles parents or teachers?
    10:12 csessums : what about artists who need to make a living from their works?
    10:12 mrsdurff-1 : because of the attitudes of the group jenny
    10:13 willrich45-1 : Jenny, teachers @Karen depends on the place, I think.
    10:13 teacherman79 : Karen...good question...
    10:13 justinreeve : I think it depends, Karen
    10:13 mrsdurff-1 : csessums that is their attitude
    10:13 justinreeve : I think it begins with the teachers
    10:13 jsommermeyer : parents are concerned about safety when it comes to student blogging
    10:13 csessums : hunger is an attitude?
    10:13 Jackson224-1 : Will, I was able to find this great stream via your twitter post...is that the best way to find out what is being streamed from the conference?
    10:13 jennylu : Teachers who aren't switched on and don't want to be and parents who don't get it yet - but they will...
    10:13 KarenJanowski : let's tackle them one at a time - identify where the issue is and start there]
    10:13 willrich45-1 : Chris, you need to talk to Gary Stager. ;0)
    10:14 mrsdurff-1 : how is hunger illegal?
    10:14 csessums : @will I will get you for that!
    10:14 justinreeve : I've seen our teachers make blogs that the parents love. Once the parent sees how great blogs can be, and if the teacher can explain to the parents via their blog how useful it could be for students to blog, parents will be onboard.
    10:14 teacherman79 : hunger to learn is an attitude...
    10:14 csessums : @mrsdurff perhaps I misread you
    10:14 annabel : Csessums... I think it's nice to idealise the starving artist
    10:14 willrich45-1 : Karen...this is what we get bogged down in, the question of where to start. Can't we just wave the magic wand??? ;0)
    10:14 KarenJanowski : talk to @mariaK about how she dealt with her kindergarten parents - they ALL got it!
    10:14 annabel : but in most cases - we are talking about corporations who do not care about artists...lol
    10:14 csessums : redefine writing in classrooms! I could kiss K!
    10:14 mrsdurff-1 : it's difficult to read and watch too chris
    10:15 KarenJanowski : @will - that's why I ran for school committe and won - can facilitate the process for both parents and teachers
    10:15 jennylu : I'm starting with student blogs that are private- we're working up
    10:15 mrsdurff-1 : no boys kissing boys please
    10:15 justinreeve : yeah, that's a good place to start
    10:15 csessums : redefining ownership!
    10:15 justinreeve : at the very least, the students will enjoy their classmates being able to view their writing
    10:15 justinreeve : the other advantage you could pitch to teachers is that they can have a paperless classroom
    10:15 mrsdurff-1 : i think we need to define ownership of ideas more than words
    10:16 KarenJanowski : @justin - that's a good way to reach the parents as well, reduce the carbon footprint, go green, etc
    10:16 willrich45-1 : Good on ya Karen!
    10:16 drobb78 : edublogs has a tool that allows teachers to approve comments before they appear on students' posts
    10:16 jennylu : They do -they love making blogs - adding widgets etc personalising their space at school
    10:16 teacherman79 : start slow...jennylu...good idea...I will cite you when I use that idea
    10:16 csessums : change "mine" to "ours"
    10:16 justinreeve : social networks are often blocked at schools, but blogs usually aren't
    10:16 mrsdurff-1 : redine classroom voices
    10:16 justinreeve : we need to take advantage of that. Blogs can be our social networks.
    10:16 jsommermeyer : does 21classes alow for widget adding?
    10:16 willrich45-1 : Can someone remind me to save the chat
    10:17 justinreeve : I'm trying it out right now, jsommer
    10:17 KarenJanowski : @will - save the chat!!!
    10:17 mrsdurff-1 : you're right chris
    10:17 justinreeve : are you archiving the preso, will?
    10:17 willrich45-1 : yes
    10:17 bicyclemark : greetings to Will
    10:17 justinreeve : nice. You're awesome.
    10:17 KarenJanowski : what is the point of student blogs?
    10:17 csessums : channeling our passions!
    10:18 willrich45-1 : Hey Mark
    10:18 KarenJanowski : to me, it's all about improving writing, writing for an authentic audience
    10:18 jennylu : Their own voice - finding a connected world if they were public
    10:18 mrsdurff-1 : can passion be channeled in a school environment?
    10:18 csessums : @durff good teachers make it so
    10:18 justinreeve : I'd say it's about engaging them on a ground that's familiar to them.
    10:18 KarenJanowski : @durff - let's at least encourage passion
    10:18 langwitches : @Karen The point is for students to have a voice, to learn to express themselves, to become familiar in a new "worldwide" media
    10:18 mrsdurff-1 : then you must be a better teacher than i chriss
    10:18 teacherman79 : @mrs durff I hope so...
    10:19 jsommermeyer : can you channel passion? or is it simply allowed to occur?
    10:19 langwitches : To go beyond the "cool" "love the picture" etc.
    10:19 jennylu : @langwitches linked to you in a post today
    10:19 KarenJanowski : @lang - yes, blogs certainly allow that in new ways
    10:19 justinreeve : They already enjoy social media. Encouraging student blogs is one way to bring classwork to students on their own turf.
    10:19 csessums : @durff we are all in this together, kid!
    10:19 teacherman79 : I think blogs...channel passion no matter who does them...
    10:19 mrsdurff-1 : so now we have passion and blogs - what is next?
    10:19 langwitches : blogging teaches/shows/allows a process
    10:19 langwitches : that's what it does for me
    10:19 willrich45-1 : I need a voluteer to save chat transcript....long story...I'm on someone else's computer and don't want to screw it up.
    10:20 mrsdurff-1 : who are you calling kid you youngster!
    10:20 KarenJanowski : how many of you promoted student passion this year?
    10:20 csessums : educate admin and parents about getting blogs in the classroom
    10:20 teacherman79 : I can do it...@willrich
    10:20 willrich45-1 : Teacher responding personally in blogs is important.
    10:20 willrich45-1 : Thanks
    10:20 csessums : @karen everytime I enter the classroom
    10:20 mrsdurff-1 : i did Karen
    10:20 langwitches : Every teacher on our faculty had a classroom blog last year for the first time
    10:20 jennylu : It's the ability to connect - to realise that the world is not so big after all- build bridges between like minded people living in different communities -very powerful
    10:20 KarenJanowski : we need to hear those stories and how it impacted the kids!
    10:21 mrsdurff-1 : kids thought i was nuts (they're right)
    10:21 langwitches : The next step is to make it progress to more than a static website now
    10:21 metaweb : I am going to introduce blogging into a Mexican secondary school next year ... we'll see how that goes
    10:21 cogdog : Who the heck is going to say the *didn't* promote passion? ;-) "Yes, I stifled passion, yep."
    10:21 langwitches : They need to move on to incorporate the students' voices more
    10:21 KarenJanowski : time to start a Share Students Successes ning
    10:21 willrich45-1 : teacherman79 if you can post it and send me a link, or just send me the chat and I'll post it.
    10:21 christianlong : @cogdog: (grin)
    10:21 justinreeve : same here, langwitches
    10:21 jokay : Ya gotta love technology http://www.flickr.com/photos/jokay/2624134965/
    10:21 teacherman79 : word doc okay
    10:21 mrsdurff-1 : metaweb - with whom are you collaborating globally?
    10:21 justinreeve : and it was phenomenally successful
    10:21 jennylu : We need to teach the kids to write in a hyperlinked environment
    10:21 willrich45-1 : FIne
    10:21 csessums : @cogdog let me show you around the school districts in my area
    10:21 KarenJanowski : @cogdog - promoting and stifling it are not necessarily opposites
    10:22 langwitches : @jennylu EXACTLY
    10:22 drobb78 : what happens when a student is isolated from the classroom blogging community? No comments, no other students are reading this classmates posts. Should the teacher intervene?
    10:22 metaweb : mrsdurff, I think we may start in-school only
    10:22 langwitches : hyperlinked environment. Gotta remember that expression. Thanks
    10:22 justinreeve : I think so, drobb, because that's not how the future of writing will occur.
    10:22 mrsdurff-1 : teachers=tally keepers
    10:22 shareski : nice that they stuck Konrad in a closet.
    10:22 jennylu : I think that is the key to success for class blogs
    10:22 csessums : we need to teach kids to have confidence in writing
    10:22 KarenJanowski : @cogdog promoting and not promoting- that's what I see in my district
    10:22 mrsdurff-1 : metaweb - i recommend blogmeister
    10:22 christianlong : Appreciate that Konrad says "it's impossible to read everything" that our students write (in a blogging, et al, context). This is THE rub!
    10:22 justinreeve : Especially with the trends of Google Docs and Office Live. Documents are moving toward the web and being shared.
    10:22 teacherman79 : @will rich I just bought your book...do I still have to pay for it...hehe
    10:22 bicyclemark : recommended, friend of mine interviewed Steve Wozniak about education and todays computers http://dailybuzz.mobuzz.tv/shows/interview_with_cofounder_of_apple_steve_wozniak
    10:22 langwitches : @drobb78 That happens in the adult world too
    10:23 cfoote : so glad this is being streamed. Will, are u saving it?
    10:23 langwitches : Need to teah studnets sensitivity the same way as on their p[layground
    10:23 cfoote : I was just getting ready to leave Austin, guess I"ll watch a little instead!
    10:23 metaweb : ok ill look at blogmeister, was thinking Ning possibly since keeping inhouse first year anyway
    10:23 drobb78 : @langwitches good point
    10:23 jennylu : Hi carolyn
    10:23 cfoote : Hi jenny! late there, eh?
    10:23 jennylu : Very!
    10:23 justinreeve : okay, I'm liking 21classes
    10:24 langwitches : I teach at elementar school. Being "nice" and playing fai not hurting other people's feelings are still big at our age group
    10:24 justinreeve : it seems pretty customizable
    10:24 justinreeve : I'm not seeing much in the way of custom widgets
    10:24 jennylu : I've used wordpress because it's what I know
    10:24 langwitches : Maybe it needs to be revisited in higher ed
    10:24 justinreeve : but it's very nice, nonetheless. You can manage all student accounts frmo within your dashboard
    10:24 metaweb : 21classes, edublogs, blogmeister, or Ning?
    10:24 bicyclemark : ning better.
    10:24 christianlong : My #1 goal this coming school year with re: to blogging and my students can be summarized in the following: improve our communication with each other INSIDE the classroom (wherever we are), not racing to put them on a global stage. *** Every day I consider: what is possible vs. what is right.
    10:25 justinreeve : ning is blocked in our district, unfortunately
    10:25 jsommermeyer : ning seems like it might be a bit clumsy for this application
    10:25 KarenJanowski : @christian how do u determine "what is right?
    10:25 justinreeve : I'd like to see our own school district social network implemented at some time in the near future
    10:25 njtechteacher : @langwitches So true, a big part of the learning is how to write in a way that is sensitive to other's feelings.
    10:25 bicyclemark : ugh the blocking. THATS somethin that needs to be stopped in the name of freedom
    10:25 mrsdurff-1 : kristin hokanson has a ustream for next session at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/copyrightconfusion
    10:25 cfoote : love how he helped students set these goals.
    10:25 cfoote : can't hear the question?
    10:26 cfoote : oh, where his slides are.
    10:26 justinreeve : I think when a school district blocks something useful for education, they have a responsibility to provide an alternative.
    10:26 christianlong : @KarenJanowski: "Right" is an ever-shifting target, right? Like a lot of the intangibles we offer our kids? But I do know that I was hired to make them amazing IN that classroom 1st!
    10:26 Jackson224-1 : what is the blog URL that he is referring to?
    10:26 jsommermeyer : what did he say to search for?
    10:26 justinreeve : You block YouTube, create your own media sharing site. You block Facebook, host your own social network. etc.
    10:26 jennylu : My experience ahs been that the kids are so excited by the global possibilities that it is a huge motivating factor for participation
    10:26 bicyclemark : growing a blog
    10:26 drobb78 : the presentation is available on his website
    10:26 bicyclemark : was what he recommended googling
    10:26 drobb78 : i'm sitting in the second row
    10:26 mrsdurff-1 : coolness
    10:26 KarenJanowski : @christian - thinking about that comment
    10:26 cfoote : jsommermeyer his id on flick is teachandlearn I think?
    10:26 bicyclemark : Im sitting in Amsterdam south.
    10:26 drobb78 : yes, he recommended googling
    10:26 njtechteacher : @bicyclemark his "how to grow a blog" image
    10:26 justinreeve : I agree, jennylu. A cool classroom activity would be to collaborate with another classroom across the world on a project
    10:26 christianlong : @jennylu: Yes, kids are excited by global opps. But they need help NOW with F2F communcation: speaking, eye contact, hand shaking, listening, et al.
    10:26 mrsdurff-1 : hi amsterda,
    10:27 langwitches : I am sitting in Buenos Aires, Argentina :)
    10:27 csessums : i heart metaphors
    10:27 jsommermeyer : lol drobb... what did he recommend googling :)
    10:27 mrsdurff-1 : hi south america
    10:27 metaweb : I am sitting in Morelia. Mexico
    10:27 jennylu : I teach in a private school - all girls- understand where you're coming from- sounds like where I used to teach
    10:27 cfoote : Here's a link to his flickr acct http://www.flickr.com/photos/teachandlearn/
    10:27 mrsdurff-1 : and central america
    10:27 csessums : intertextual linking
    10:27 bicyclemark : wheres this event taking place?
    10:27 cfoote : Hi Metaweb!
    10:27 mrsdurff-1 : will - you;re international
    10:27 christianlong : If I can help my kids be better listeners via great eye contact with their local/F2F colleagues/peers, I'd give up the global reach thing in a heartbeat. My teaching Maginot Line, if I have to choose.
    10:27 cfoote : San Antonio, bicycle
    10:27 drobb78 : I think he was joking about googling to find his presentaiton
    10:27 teacherman79 : I think this type of communication improves F2F
    10:27 metaweb : Mexico is in North America .. ha ha ha
    10:28 drobb78 : hard to tell - I think he was being sarcastic
    10:28 KarenJanowski : @christian - interesting that this is your priority....
    10:28 csessums : @drobb he's not
    10:28 mrsdurff-1 : i do it with 7th grade
    10:28 teacherman79 : This gives kids with little F2F confidence more confidence...
    10:28 christianlong : @KarenJanowski: Shouldn't it be for ALL of us? Morally? Professionally? Human to Human?
    10:28 justinreeve : I think some kids could develop those skills, sure
    10:28 mrsdurff-1 : takes 'em the first month to get over the teacher thing - i ain't one
    10:29 csessums : what about responding to kids' needs rather than ours?
    10:29 shareski : @christianlong.....that was your goal last year....it continues to influence my thinking
    10:29 mrsdurff-1 : they do not need to be filled
    10:29 metaweb : My teachers have underdeveloped skills in writing, communication, and technology .. huge challenges ahead
    10:29 kdumont : 6 minutes for the page to open the stream from within the room. Hate missing the backchannel
    10:29 mrsdurff-1 : they are not empty vessels
    10:29 christianlong : @shareski: No doubt it was my goal in returning to the classroom to teach last fall; I hope it reamins the perpetual goal for the next 30 yrs of my career.
    10:30 willrich45-1 : I dropped out for a bit.
    10:30 mrsdurff-1 : hi kelly
    10:30 kdumont : Hi Durff
    10:30 willrich45-1 : WHoever said they would save chat, please send to weblogged@gmail.com
    10:30 cfoote : Will, are u saving this session?
    10:30 bicyclemark : Ive been guest lecturing in Dutch secondary schools... doing my own little research into what kids are doing with the internet
    10:30 langwitches : @christianlong I believe there are other opportunities for f2f teaching and learning. My priority for web 2.0 is the global aspect, since it is harder to expose students to that awareness in many other ways
    10:30 jennylu : It's my goal too Christian- but I think you can do both
    10:30 cfoote : want to share it with some of our teachers.
    10:30 bicyclemark : the results are not impressive.
    10:30 christianlong : @shareski: I guess that if I had to be 'awkward' at one thing for the rest of my career, I'd rather work on helping kids with F2F realities than virtual possibilities.
    10:30 teacherman79 : @wilrich... will do
    10:30 christianlong : @jennylu: Of course. It is an and/and prop. But I'm 51 on the side of F2F, 49 on the side of virtual.
    10:30 KarenJanowski : @christian - i think you are describing skills that are taught at home. Ability to speak/present publicly is paramount
    10:31 mrsdurff-1 : it's :
    10:31 mrsdurff-1 : oops
    10:31 justinreeve : those skills aren't always taught at home
    10:31 mrsdurff-1 : 10:30
    10:31 Rodd_Lucier : Dialogue supercedes the lecture! Funny... appropriate to this chat
    10:31 johnrivera-1 : jumping over from visit to SL preso at #necc
    10:31 christianlong : @KarenJanowski: Yes, agree. And rarely are kids (or adults) taught how to really speak effectively.
    10:31 mrsdurff-1 : backchannel
    10:31 mrsdurff-1 : not a chat
    10:31 justinreeve : all too often they're not, in fact. Does that make it the responsibility of the teacher to teach them?
    10:31 jsommermeyer : I wish I hadnt taken speech as a freshman in college... didnt realize how much I would have learned there until it was way too late
    10:31 mrsdurff-1 : chat is a misnomer
    10:31 njtechteacher : @christian Unfortuantely those skills aren't necessarily taught at home. They need f2f practice in school groups too.
    10:32 mrsdurff-1 : yes we need to focus more on debate skills
    10:32 mrsdurff-1 : public speaking skills
    10:32 KarenJanowski : @christian - what is interesting is we are seeing an increase in school anxieties and school phobias - some kids feel pressured on a variety of levels - do you see that in your school?
    10:32 christianlong : @langwitches: I hear you on the global element. I'm not suggesting ignoring it. But I want the foundation to be real communication skills first, global publishing/collab second. And not in the trad sit-in-your-seats way, either. Ancient storytelling/listening ways, instead!
    10:33 justinreeve : I'm not sure it's a good idea to push kids into F2F situations where they'll just always be awkward no matter what you do.
    10:33 christianlong : @KarenJanowski: Yes, but its not a school thing. It's a modern human thing. And the kids are responding to our adult fears/anxieties/pressures, too.
    10:33 metaweb : I think that is debatable mrsduff .
    10:33 KarenJanowski : @christian, the virtual world can help overcome the anxieties. use of digital tools can overcome some obstacles
    10:33 csessums : you can teach kids to be independent researchers without blogs
    10:33 mrsdurff-1 : what is metaweb?
    10:33 mrsdurff-1 : i looked away
    10:33 justinreeve : I'm undecided. I was an awkward kid who didn't do well in F2F situations, couldn't give presentations, etc. But I'm not sure any amount of teacher encouragement would have helped.
    10:33 christianlong : @njtechteacher: I agree with you.
    10:33 mrsdurff-1 : spellcheck
    10:33 mrsdurff-1 : duh
    10:34 csessums : its not about technology is about people relearning to communicate
    10:34 justinreeve : yeah, who needs to learn how to spell nowadays?
    10:34 teacherman79 : @justinreeve...awkward adult here...hehe
    10:34 metaweb : I think Ss need to be better prepared to repsond to real-time communications rather that staged and pre-prepared forms
    10:34 KarenJanowski : @justinreeve - how has that impacted your teaching?
    10:34 justinreeve : spellcheck solves everything
    10:34 mrsdurff-1 : unlearn, relearn
    10:34 christianlong : @KarenJanowski: Of course, as a supplement. But it is the supplement, not the reality -- semantics aside. Save for a small subset of the human population (due to 'abilities'/access).
    10:34 justinreeve : I'm not a teacher. I wish I had the gift, though.
    10:34 mrsdurff-1 : nope - still need proofing
    10:34 langwitches : @christianlong I grew up with extensive audiobook industry for babies, kids and adolescents in Germany. Raised my own kids with audio stories in German while they grew up in America
    10:34 justinreeve : I'm our school district's web manager.
    10:34 teacherman79 : @justinreeve...all you need to start is desire
    10:34 csessums : @justin yes you are a teacher, you just don't think of yourself that way
    10:34 teacherman79 : you have that...
    10:35 teacherman79 : and Csessums is right...
    10:35 christianlong : @langwitches: But were you reading/listening WITH them, F2F, so to speak?
    10:35 langwitches : Listening skills are incredibly important
    10:35 justinreeve : well I have taught teachers before. But I don't have the gift you excellent teachers have.
    10:35 teacherman79 : You are in a school you teach..
    10:35 justinreeve : I can teach in other ways. Blogs being one of them.
    10:35 KarenJanowski : @justinreeve - you can advocate for the students who don't do well in the "traditional" classroom
    10:35 christianlong : @langwitches: Yes, tech is vital...but you were most likely side-by-side with your kiddos along the way, right?
    10:35 mrsdurff-1 : you can't listen if you are busy making a rucus
    10:35 justinreeve : F2F though, not very skilled at it.
    10:35 csessums : teachers don't need schools
    10:35 jennylu : @christian long you're the devil's advocate in our echo chamber -good stuff!
    10:35 teacherman79 : @justinreeve...and that will help your teaching in other areas...F2F
    10:35 Rodd_Lucier : While listening to this presentation, posted a 5 minute podcast: Attending NECC from the Cottage : ) http://tinyurl.com/3rz84w This is a really good back-channel forum... Love the sharing and learning in this space
    10:36 langwitches : @christianlong Yes, we were listening in car, bedtime story, retelling stories the next day. The characters became part of our lives :)
    10:36 metaweb : Most people pasively listen rather than active listening
    10:36 christianlong : @jennylu: I'm also one of the biggest fans of it all (and have been rewarded professionally for embracing 2.0 et al), but I am also curious which means I want to figure it out...all to SERVE my students. Period.
    10:36 justinreeve : I think there are many, many different ways to be a teacher. Ultimately when teaching kids there will never be any replacement for the F2F teacher.
    10:36 mrsdurff-1 : tell konrad how many were in the ustream please
    10:36 justinreeve : It makes me a little concerned when I see all these virtual K-12 schools going up.
    10:36 christianlong : @langwitches: Love that last line. Just like ancient storytellers around a fire.
    10:37 jennylu : I can feel your passion Christian -all good
    10:37 metaweb : Ouch
    10:37 christianlong : @justinreeve: amen to you!
    10:37 mrsdurff-1 : f2f doesn't necessarily mean in the same location
    10:37 justinreeve : I have nothing but admiration for the amazing work you teachers do.
    10:37 jsommermeyer : wow
    10:37 jsommermeyer : what was that...
    10:37 csessums : this wouldn't be as much fun without this discussion!
    10:37 metaweb : Clap clap
    10:37 mrsdurff-1 : clap clap
    10:37 langwitches : I still tell stories of my grandmother to my kids. Love storytelling in any form or media :)
    10:37 jsommermeyer : Clap
    10:37 csessums : what is the role of the lecture? stimulate backchannels!
    10:37 bicyclemark : theres the man
    10:37 christianlong : @mrsdurff-1: So true. But we need to remember that just because we can Skype vid chat doesn't mean we fail totalk about eye contact, speaking pace, pauses, etc.
    10:37 justinreeve : no I agree mrsdurff, but there's something to say when a student is in the same physical room as the teacher.
    10:37 metaweb : Thanks!!!
    10:37 mrsdurff-1 : on to http://www.ustream.tv/channel/copyrightconfusion
    10:37 justinreeve : There's a much deeper connection to the teacher.
    10:37 njtechteacher : Thank you for inviting us in Konrad
    10:38 mrsdurff-1 : ity IS packed
    10:38 teacherman79 : hey wil...
    10:38 teacherman79 : I will send that
    10:38 justinreeve : Moreso than if they watch the teacher on a monitor.

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Monday, November 26

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    [12:40:20] <robinellis> : yes
    [12:40:42] <sharonp> : am thinking .... Stager - I believe - regards himself as a social constructivist... what role does connective technology play (in his way of thinking) beyond creation?
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    right -
    [12:41:16] <nandikerri> : Q for Will/Gary- have you yet seen the 'school of the future' that you both mention in action anywhere? If so, please describe. If not- describe the school/school exerience that is closest to the school of the future/school 2.0
    [12:41:42] <sharonp> : DOES connective technology(ies) have a place in a social constructivist classroom? i.e. beyond creating programs and products?
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    [12:57:54] <cchausis> : teachers just returned from NCTE and came back more aware!
    [12:58:21] <sharonp> : was there a lot of web 2 at NCTE??
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    I'm slow.
    [12:58:33] <sharonp> : lol
    [12:58:36] <budtheteacher> : I'm curious about NCTE, too - I'm usually there.
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    Web 2.0
    [12:58:41] <budtheteacher> : Missed it this year.
    [12:58:42] <scmorgan> : Mine did, too cchausis
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    [13:01:59] <cchausis> : AYP?
    [13:02:04] <nandikerri> : it is hard to ask teachers to be transformative in a system that constantly limits them
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    too -
    [13:02:19] <nandikerri> : AYP?
    [13:02:24] <fsinfo> : chausis Annual yearly progress - you don't have to worry at your HS
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    [13:02:57] <sharonp> : @darren - agree.... they need to see good models of pedagogy and student learning
    [13:03:11] <djakes> : @nandikerri-I agree-to a point, but some of the lack of application of tech falls of the shoulders of teachers. There, I said it. (comment by djakes)
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    achievement,aka SLA
    [13:03:17] <dkuropatwa> : @sharon, yes, they are implimenting reforms, and while I may be wrong about this, I think they are making these "new" implementations without exploring the possibilities in the read/write web.
    [13:03:22] <dhammond> : teacher=lead learner
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    [13:03:58] <khokanson> : @fsinfo the recording, but not the chat :(
    [13:04:12] <fsinfo> : can someone copy and paste it and save it
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    wiki somewhere
    [13:04:20] <djakes> : dkuropatwa is now huge in Rochester, people loved your stuff, Darren
    [13:04:21] <nandikerri> : you need the 'right people' on the right seats on your bus, so to speak- this takes us inot a whol new confab about faculty PD in general & who is in the classroom
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    [13:04:42] <kpruitt> : ah ha...playtime
    [13:04:43] <khokanson> : sharon...me too...network stuff
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    agree Jen,
    [13:04:43] <fsinfo> : please someome sve it
    [13:04:44] <dkuropatwa> : I see so many possibilities in the thinkgs my own kids are bringing home from school each day. Their teachres just aren't aware of the possibilities ... and I'm afraid ... thay are fearful of learning.
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    [13:12:20] <sharonp> : publishing without have to know computer code is HUGE - as well as having access to a place where it can go
    [13:12:29] <nandikerri> : educator=life long learner, yes?
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    native stuff.
    [13:12:47] <sroustan> : @chrischampion. i feel the same way a lot of the time - it takes effort to try to understand those who don't get it
    [13:12:50] <dkuropatwa> : Imagine a network that consist s of your students and other classes from round the world lead by facebook savy educators.
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    [13:13:05] <djakes> : teacher as catalyst
    [13:13:09] <scmorgan> : re Gary...but don't we need to "cheerlead" a little?
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    not learning.
    [13:13:11] <dkuropatwa> : I'm thinking of something like Clarence Fisher and Barbara Bereda's Thin Walled Classroom.
    [13:13:11] <budtheteacher> : oops - "oops"
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    [13:13:19] <djakes> : teacher as champion for kids
    [13:13:24] <sharonp> : @djakes... seems my gaffe brought out your best
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    THIS...Teacher as
    [13:13:34] <shoemap> : Not another Ning!
    [13:13:36] <nandikerri> : digital natives- this is not generational either, think of it like being mechanically minded? Vulcan spirit?
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    [13:18:28] <scottswanson> : but do we teach with with proper use of logical decomposition? That's important, too; to see the CS-y stuff in language arts and embrace it
    [13:18:30] <sharonp> : like that - "functional fixity"
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    be abolished
    [13:18:39] <khokanson> : gah I hate to have to leave this convo...but I have to go to my son's 2nd grade conference
    [13:18:40] <budtheteacher> : @dkuropatwa: i agree w/ you
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    [13:20:47] <chrischampion> : (thanks @djakes)
    [13:20:52] <djakes> : what is fixity?
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    market stuff.
    [13:20:59] <JenniferWagner> : LOL, I will refrain from commenting on GS comments
    [13:21:01] <nandikerri> : why we do what? twitter? ed tech?
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    [13:22:13] <dhammond> : charletons??? you mean people with opinions? who's real or not?
    [13:22:15] <dkuropatwa> : smial @Jen I know your sharing other's qwuestions. ;-)
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    too much!!!
    [13:22:21] <budtheteacher> : s
    [13:22:22] <djakes> : what do you think of Gary's perspective of blogging
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    are disallowed?
    [13:22:52] <JenniferWagner> : what is GS perspective of blogging??
    [13:22:55] <dkuropatwa> : Isn't that kind of like a car without wheels?
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    [13:24:27] <sharonp> : how can Gary say what actions I do or do not do because of my blog??
    [13:24:34] <djakes> : @ryanbretag. Yes, it's being recorded
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    of working.
    [13:24:44] <scottswanson> : I think the point is, better we use tools that facilitate higher order thinking and better content by their very nature
    [13:24:45] <mjmontagne> : @chrischampion--I'm trying to start small...develop pockets of use in students, teachers, and administrators...plant the seed, you know/?
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    taking action?
    [13:24:52] <budtheteacher> : That doesn't always happen.
    [13:25:00] <ryanbretag> : @djakes ty
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    [13:25:53] <sharonp> : @Jen, I think there is a larger gender issue here as well
    [13:26:00] <djakes> : Do you think the blogosphere is an ecochamber?
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    always happening.
    [13:26:12] <dkuropatwa> : @djakes It can be.
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    @djakes ;-)
    [13:26:20]

    [13:26:20]
    <sroustan> :
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    choir loft
    [13:26:22] <kpruitt> : every one...Yep
    [13:26:25] <sroustan> : the choir loft to which we preach
    [13:26:28] <sharonp> : for some a community, for others, an echo chamber
    [13:26:31] <cchausis> : @djakes... btw -- you are doing a great job of managing the backchannel!
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    often is.
    [13:26:34] <scmorgan> : djakes-sometimes...everyone picks up on the "new" topic and posts
    [13:26:46] <djakes> : Darren, djakes is djakes
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    great conversation.
    [13:26:58] <JenniferWagner> : bye bud
    [13:26:58] <kpruitt> : We all have slightly different audiences, yes?
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Tuesday, November 20

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    (Note: djakes was originally logged in as willrich45 for the chat. I've changed the name in the transcript below)
    [12:33:02] <nandikerri> : high whine in sound quality here-
    [12:33:02] <robinellis> : Mine too Jen
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    [12:33:09] <nandikerri> : much feedback?
    [12:33:25] <JenniferWagner> : just a bit
    [12:34:02] <willrich45><djakes> : How
    [12:34:02] <sharonp> : applause applause
    [12:34:06] <nandikerri> : (trying with headphones)
    [12:34:18] <willrich45><djakes> : This
    [12:34:20] <sharonp> : audio is NOT the greatest
    [12:34:27] <JenniferWagner> : hey WILL
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    [12:34:35] <sharonp> : quality comes and goes... not too bad now
    [12:34:45] <scottswanson> : Audio is better than this AM's will session, dave.
    [12:34:54] <willrich45><djakes> : but
    [12:34:58] <sharonp> : yes
    [12:34:59] <scmorgan> : It's good now
    [12:35:01] <willrich45><djakes> : OK
    [12:35:06] <scottswanson> : still a little soft, like the mic is not directional . audible if I turn it up
    [12:35:10] <nandikerri> : barely-
    ...
    [12:35:48] <JenniferWagner> : ty for doing this
    [12:35:54] <scmorgan> : External speakers help:)
    [12:36:00] <willrich45><djakes> : adjusted
    [12:36:02] <scottswanson> : Topic? With Stager there is no topic. Only listen.
    [12:36:08] <simonsays> : Hi Sharon
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    [12:38:08] <lbilak-1> : any stream yet
    [12:38:18] <sharonp> : yes, video and audio is streaming
    [12:38:19] <willrich45><djakes> : Please
    [12:38:21] <nandikerri> : streaming up, yes
    [12:38:54] <willrich45><djakes> : uh oh
    [12:39:37] <willrich45><djakes> : everyone
    [12:39:38] <mjmontagne> : how do you address schools w/traditional model who are sending students to best schools in country? How do you encourage these schools look at different methods, techniques and tools?
    [12:39:45] <scottswanson> : we're here, David
    [12:39:54] <mke614> : still here
    [12:39:57] <willrich45><djakes> : ok
    [12:39:58] <scmorgan> : yes...sounds good
    [12:40:14] <JenniferWagner> : sound is softr -- but we are here
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    [12:41:16] <nandikerri> : Q for Will/Gary- have you yet seen the 'school of the future' that you both mention in action anywhere? If so, please describe. If not- describe the school/school exerience that is closest to the school of the future/school 2.0
    [12:41:42] <sharonp> : DOES connective technology(ies) have a place in a social constructivist classroom? i.e. beyond creating programs and products?
    [12:41:53] <willrich45><djakes> : Thank
    [12:41:54] <mjmontagne> : Audio and video is awesome...ustream rocks!
    [12:41:59] <nandikerri> : his theories about social constructivism predate his public discussions of connectivtive technology....
    [12:42:09] <willrich45><djakes> : Will
    [12:42:21] <scottswanson> : I think he just spoke to the role of connective technology, actually, in that social constructivist framework
    [12:42:28] <willrich45><djakes> : What
    [12:42:57] <nandikerri> : djakes- found you on twitter, thanks
    [12:43:18] <sharonp> : Why are we separating technology conferences from "mainstream" conferences?
    [12:43:19] <sroustan> : @djakes i think the unconference model - or moderated playing works well
    [12:43:23] <willrich45><djakes> : Absolutely
    [12:43:31] <nandikerri> : just came from an unconference here...http://neit.wikispaces.com/AGENDA
    [12:43:46] <scmorgan> : When Gary visited VAIS tech two years ago, he keynoted and then spent the next day in small groups with us. As did Will last year. Makes them a part of the ongoing conversation AFTER the presentation
    [12:43:47] <willrich45><djakes> : There
    [12:43:50] <nandikerri> : it mostly worked I think, the conference model must support the content
    [12:44:07] <robinellis> : yes there is djakes still an add on in many places
    [12:44:15] <sharonp> : as long as we have that disconnect.... we will continue to see it systemically, right down to the classroom level
    [12:44:31] <willrich45><djakes> : There
    [12:44:52] <sroustan> : i think that's accurate. leadership are beginning to catch on, though
    [12:44:55] <robinellis> : leadership in many cases does not model either
    [12:44:56] <stevehargadon> : I think what Gary is saying is that there are a lot of good pedagogical uses for computers outside of Web 2.0. But something is happening with Web 2.0 and collaboration is something bigger.
    [12:45:22] <willrich45><djakes> : I
    [12:45:28] <scmorgan> : We've been arguing about using the filter to control bandwidth...not a great idea from the curricular point of view
    [12:45:30] <robinellis> : I will agree with Will they use as data collection tool
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    [12:46:12] <sroustan> : ah the great question
    [12:46:14] <sharonp> : ETSB has zero filtering??? what??
    [12:46:18] <willrich45><djakes> : @atruger.
    [12:46:21] <susanvg> : but other school boards in Quebec filter everything
    [12:46:27] <sharonp> : Quebecers.... is that true?
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    [12:46:52] <simonsays> : YouTube was blocked at by my board because one teacher complained
    [12:47:02] <nandikerri> : is 'technology' a curriculum or a tool or both? is'nt this the first pedgogical decision?
    [12:47:02] <willrich45><djakes> : djakes:
    [12:47:04] <simonsays> : thankfully that decision was reversed
    [12:47:06] <atruger> : I am the tech specialist at my dist and it's just nuts
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    [12:48:33] <khokanson> : very true scott
    [12:48:40] <nandikerri> : <--no blocking here at all, NYC independent school
    [12:48:41] <willrich45><djakes> : QUESTION:
    [12:48:49] <khokanson> : but if the infrastructure is not in place it make things difficult
    [12:48:58] <scottswanson> : No blocking here, either -- IMSA (state public selective residential 10-12)
    [12:49:01] <willrich45><djakes> : infrastructure
    [12:49:01] <simonsays> : our bandwidth is wide open for admin, half of that for teachers, and half again for students
    [12:49:08] <atruger> : I second that khokanson
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    [12:49:33] <khokanson> : but often it is the board, not the teachers / administrators that are makng the financial decisions
    [12:49:53] <fsinfo> : can you get around the email problem by creating an email for that purpose like with gaggle.net?
    [12:50:00] <willrich45><djakes> : @shoemap.
    [12:50:04] <scmorgan> : yes, go Gary!
    [12:50:24] <khokanson> : and those folks / the $$ decision makers are often not educators & have their own agenda
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    [12:51:24] <khokanson> : @jlwagner but you need email to get a wiki account
    [12:51:33] <scottswanson> : jennifer: the problem is not "getting around blocked email", it's torching the limited minds who want to stop students from emailing (= communicating) in the first place
    [12:51:37] <willrich45><djakes> : giving
    [12:51:41] <khokanson> : most web20 aps need email for sign up
    [12:51:41] <JenniferWagner> : no -- you can create one for your students to utlize
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    [12:52:39] <shoemap> : :-)
    [12:52:46] <atruger> : LOL
    [12:52:46] <willrich45><djakes> : QUESTION:
    [12:52:57] <sharonp> : agreed scott, but so many decisions are made through fear and ignorance, not reality and pedagogy
    [12:53:03] <JenniferWagner> : LOL there are always going to be "idiots" we just need to find workarounds until they go away :)
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    [12:54:13] <atruger> : cell phone
    [12:54:17] <mke614> : I was wondering what that was. lol
    [12:54:18] <willrich45><djakes> : no,
    [12:54:34] <nandikerri> : LOL
    [12:54:34] <sharonp> : Will's obsession has caught up with him!
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    [12:55:48] <nandikerri> : Worse consequence tunred out to be a community-wide discussion with parents about the 'why' of technology in education, I ended up just watching
    [12:55:56] <atruger> : Close a door open a window and fly
    [12:55:57] <willrich45><djakes> : Tell
    [12:55:59] <cchausis> : it's amazing... there are 50 of us viewing and discussing this
    [12:56:09] <mke614> : 1%
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    [12:56:41] <cchausis> : sorry.. maybe 10%
    [12:56:54] <fsinfo> : maybe 1 %
    [12:57:01] <willrich45><djakes> : they
    [12:57:10] <cchausis> : web2.0 savvy vs tech savvy?
    [12:57:13] <willrich45><djakes> : djakes
    [12:57:14] <scottswanson> : oh, if that's all, 25%
    [12:57:17] <JenniferWagner> : we change to 1/2 percent
    [12:57:17] <willrich45><djakes> : Web
    [12:57:22] <shoemap> : not many know what web 2.0 means despite workshops and usergroups going on
    [12:57:32] <budtheteacher> : Djakes/willrich: I thought you were on a plane.
    [12:57:36] <willrich45><djakes> : focus,
    [12:57:39] <chrischampion> : Thanks David... I was trying to find WillRich's keyboard up there :-)
    [12:57:40] <JenniferWagner> : I have two friends watching with us!!!
    [12:57:45] <willrich45><djakes> : nah
    [12:57:48] <sharonp> : Bud, try to keep up!
    [12:57:54] <cchausis> : teachers just returned from NCTE and came back more aware!
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    [12:58:33] <sharonp> : lol
    [12:58:36] <budtheteacher> : I'm curious about NCTE, too - I'm usually there.
    [12:58:40] <willrich45><djakes> : QUESTION:
    [12:58:41] <budtheteacher> : Missed it this year.
    [12:58:42] <scmorgan> : Mine did, too cchausis
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    [12:59:51] <sharonp> : we need to show them that often web 2 is a more EFFICIENT way to use tech
    [12:59:59] <sharonp> : yes, mine is on the way.... I hope
    [13:00:05] <willrich45><djakes> : Efficient,
    [13:00:05] <sroustan> : @cchausis no - no money. :(
    [13:00:18] <scottswanson> : @cchausis 11/12 AM
    [13:00:27] <sharonp> : @djakes - we know BOTH, but time is an issue
    [13:00:32] <scmorgan> : My teachers say they feel overwhelmed...yes, transformative...at first using tech in not more efficient:)
    [13:00:36] <willrich45><djakes> : why
    [13:00:44] <nandikerri> : technology can be both efficient and transformative...which is your goal first?
    [13:00:48] <cchausis> : @scmorgan -- agree heartily
    [13:00:53] <sharonp> : lack of time, perceived lack of time to learn new skills
    [13:00:54] <scottswanson> : nandi: xform
    [13:00:54] <willrich45><djakes> : if
    [13:01:00] <robinellis> : depends on the individual as well
    [13:01:03] <scmorgan> : Yes, but doesn't the efficiency come after the learning?
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    [13:01:20] <JenniferWagner> : theydon't see "integration" and I know you hate that word -- but they see separation
    [13:01:22] <cchausis> : then they realize time invested now = big payback later
    [13:01:37] <willrich45><djakes> : i'm
    [13:01:39] <robinellis> : they see what technology can do in their teaching and the students learning and they are willing to spend time making it work
    [13:01:39] <nandikerri> : i think al this depends on your PD model
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    [13:02:52] <nandikerri> : hmmm....I'm in a different arena with Indy schools
    [13:02:57] <sharonp> : @darren - agree.... they need to see good models of pedagogy and student learning
    [13:03:11] <willrich45><djakes> : @nandikerri-I
    [13:03:14] <khokanson> : but you are right if PD ws built into learning goals and student achievement,aka SLA
    [13:03:17] <dkuropatwa> : @sharon, yes, they are implimenting reforms, and while I may be wrong about this, I think they are making these "new" implementations without exploring the possibilities in the read/write web.
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    [13:04:12] <fsinfo> : can someone copy and paste it and save it
    [13:04:14] <khokanson> : unless @djakes is gonna copy to a wiki somewhere
    [13:04:20] <willrich45><djakes> : dkuropatwa
    [13:04:21] <nandikerri> : you need the 'right people' on the right seats on your bus, so to speak- this takes us inot a whol new confab about faculty PD in general & who is in the classroom
    [13:04:24] <JenniferWagner> : until they see no separation of "Tech" and education -- we will continually fight the battle of no time. At least, I am seeing that at my location. Once they see them merging -- I see progress
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    [13:04:36] <khokanson> : @nandikerri we use that analogy ALL THE TIME
    [13:04:41] <scmorgan> : djakes, I keep thinking about your comment about efficiency. I've had an ah ha moment...thanks
    [13:04:41] <willrich45><djakes> : absolutely,
    [13:04:42] <kpruitt> : ah ha...playtime
    [13:04:43] <khokanson> : sharon...me too...network stuff
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    [13:05:38] <jimwenz> : Isn't it a control issue for a lot of teachers
    [13:05:47] <sharonp> : live, need to watch the recording again later
    ...
    @djakes is @WillRich45@djakes today on
    [13:06:04] <dkuropatwa> : HIya Dave!
    [13:06:08] <dkuropatwa> : Thanks Chris! ;-)
    [13:06:09] <willrich45><djakes> : willrich
    ...
    djakes
    [13:06:26] <willrich45><djakes> : hey
    [13:06:31] <budtheteacher> : will's going for the jugular that I want to go for right now. Don't do stuff with students until you understand what you're doing. At least a little.
    [13:06:39] <scmorgan> : Will is right here. Get the teachers to use the tools, learn, develop learning communities
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    [13:06:51] <nandikerri> : @chriscahmpion- so the question begs how to you get 'Directors of Acaddemic Technology' in place in the public school system? This is our model- the educator is the director, the curricular needs dictates the tools we buy....
    [13:06:59] <sharonp> : great point!!
    [13:07:11] <willrich45><djakes> : QUESTION:
    [13:07:14] <chrischampion> : Right: Directors of Curriculum = Directors of Technology
    [13:07:18] <soffenhauser> : yes, don't worry about using it with your kids until you understand how it works for you - this is what I am facing in my district and trying to tackle
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    [13:07:46] <nandikerri> : @chischapion- yes, but there is a growth curve about thisin each ed community too
    [13:07:47] <scmorgan> : true shoemap
    [13:07:55] <willrich45><djakes> : @shoemap.
    [13:07:58] <sroustan> : actually, he will be in preschool next year..so pre-preschool
    [13:08:08] <chrischampion> : very true shoemap
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    [13:09:42] <mjmontagne> : great conversation here
    [13:09:48] <budtheteacher> : that's a bad question.
    [13:09:49] <willrich45><djakes> : easy
    [13:09:49] <sharonp> : so where is the effective teacher training to get the teachers to use 1:1 more effectively??
    [13:09:57] <scmorgan> : right djakes
    ...
    [13:10:13] <nandikerri> : lusanne laptop institute
    [13:10:17] <scmorgan> : back to the academic dean/coordinator sharonp
    [13:10:21] <willrich45><djakes> : @sharonp.
    [13:10:29] <soffenhauser> : what is happening in teacher prep programs? Are universities current?
    [13:10:31] <sroustan> : lol @djakes
    [13:10:33] <sharonp> : sorry.... professional dev
    [13:10:40] <willrich45><djakes> : It's
    [13:10:40] <cchausis> : change "training" to "learning"
    [13:10:42] <budtheteacher> : "current" is relative
    ...
    [13:10:59] <mjmontagne> : @cchausis-I'm going to use that one...
    [13:11:03] <chrischampion> : soffenhauser: I dont' think the gap is for new teachers as much as "seasoned" ones
    [13:11:08] <willrich45><djakes> : Darren,
    [13:11:18] <scmorgan> : it is at our school, chrischampion
    [13:11:20] <willrich45><djakes> : I'm
    [13:11:20] <kpruitt> : Teachers job to help develop understanding...tech's job to make collabortion/reflection easy
    [13:11:22] <nandikerri> : it is not generational but a lifestyle choice
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    [13:11:49] <scmorgan> : the new teachers facebook but don't necessarily know what to do in the clssroom with the kids
    [13:12:01] <nandikerri> : teachers guide the development of understanding/knowledge/wisdom...keyword-GUIDE
    [13:12:07] <willrich45><djakes> : Using
    [13:12:13] <chrischampion> : @bud - we have a new teacher here who is a native... she doesn't understand why everyone else doesn't get it
    [13:12:15] <kpruitt> : entertainment vs education
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    [13:12:52] <nandikerri> : education +entertainment=edutainment
    [13:12:54] <JenniferWagner> : is this the first Richardson/Stager match up??
    [13:13:00] <willrich45><djakes> : teacher
    [13:13:01] <budtheteacher> : oopos - "you've"
    [13:13:05] <willrich45><djakes> : teacher
    [13:13:09] <scmorgan> : re Gary...but don't we need to "cheerlead" a little?
    [13:13:09] <chrischampion> : RIGHT.. not just what's next, but what standards or goals did they accomplish? Blog to blog is not learning.
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    [13:13:11] <budtheteacher> : oops - "oops"
    [13:13:19] <cchausis> : @dkuropatwa -- sounds like a NING waiting to happen
    [13:13:19] <willrich45><djakes> : teacher
    [13:13:24] <sharonp> : @djakes... seems my gaffe brought out your best
    [13:13:34] <willrich45><djakes> : COMPLETE
    [13:13:34] <shoemap> : Not another Ning!
    [13:13:36] <nandikerri> : digital natives- this is not generational either, think of it like being mechanically minded? Vulcan spirit?
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    [13:14:08] <nandikerri> : Teacher as guide (on the side)
    [13:14:09] <sroustan> : random: when do you teach US history? 8th? 9th? 10th?
    [13:14:21] <willrich45><djakes> : sled-dog.
    [13:14:26] <dkuropatwa> : Gary is COMPLETELY off base when he suggests displaying student work for public review has questionable value.
    [13:14:31] <scmorgan> : 11th
    ...
    [13:14:53] <nandikerri> : @dkuropatwa- comletely agree
    [13:14:58] <scmorgan> : Gardner Campbell hold on I'll get his blog
    [13:15:03] <willrich45><djakes> : @darren.
    [13:15:11] <nandikerri> : ty!
    [13:15:11] <dkuropatwa> : Gary keeps comparing the current educational context to his own education.
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    [13:16:13] <mrmosesdotorg> : the audience may raise the bar, but it may be raising the level of something that is without value
    [13:16:22] <nandikerri> : two different discussions- integration and computer science/programming
    [13:16:25] <willrich45><djakes> : right,
    [13:16:26] <kpruitt> : The rules are aginst using it..
    [13:16:32] <scottswanson> : teaching algorithmic thinking, though, is critical for 21st century skills
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    [13:16:49] <shoemap> : This should be good
    [13:16:56] <budtheteacher> : h
    [13:17:00] <willrich45><djakes> : OK,
    [13:17:00] <scmorgan> : Yup
    [13:17:01] <kpruitt> : agreed JL
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    [13:20:15] <marsenault> : It got me here.
    [13:20:16] <mrmosesdotorg> : I did too. I live by twitter now.
    [13:20:17] <willrich45><djakes> : Gary
    [13:20:20] <dhammond> : Twitter - I thought it was like stalking. Can't live without it now!
    [13:20:22] <sharonp> : yes, it is cocking our heads to one side when we see a new tool or environment and asking how we can use it not WHEN can we use it
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    [13:20:35] <nandikerri> : twitterbin is up now in my my window- great tool for work
    [13:20:39] <scottswanson> : @djakes: yes, agreed, which is why I DONT think he's vicitm to functional fixity
    [13:20:41] <willrich45><djakes> : Gary
    [13:20:47] <chrischampion> : (thanks @djakes)
    [13:20:52] <willrich45><djakes> : what
    [13:20:52] <budtheteacher> : I do, too, Darren - but I use them to market stuff.
    [13:20:59] <JenniferWagner> : LOL, I will refrain from commenting on GS comments
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    [13:22:19] <JenniferWagner> : LOL, Sharon, don't let DJ change you too much!!!
    [13:22:21] <budtheteacher> : s
    [13:22:22] <willrich45><djakes> : what
    [13:22:46] <dkuropatwa> : Doesn't Gary have a blog where comments are disallowed?
    [13:22:52] <JenniferWagner> : what is GS perspective of blogging??
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    [13:24:20] <dkuropatwa> : @Budtheteacher That's true, but there's lots of "bad" content on tv, radio and in newspapers. You choose the ones that have best value by reading what they write over time.
    [13:24:27] <sharonp> : how can Gary say what actions I do or do not do because of my blog??
    [13:24:34] <willrich45><djakes> : @ryanbretag.
    [13:24:42] <budtheteacher> : @dkuropatwa: Yes. But I wish that, with a new medium, came a new way of working.
    [13:24:44] <scottswanson> : I think the point is, better we use tools that facilitate higher order thinking and better content by their very nature
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    [13:25:00] <ryanbretag> : @djakes ty
    [13:25:11] <budtheteacher> : i've got to run -when's the de-brief?
    [13:25:14] <willrich45><djakes> : glenbrook
    [13:25:14] <scmorgan> : I hope people don't think blogs are too much trouble. I need the reflection not found on Twitter
    [13:25:21] <JenniferWagner> : sharon -- will said in an earlier class today that there are not a lot of female bloggers -- :)
    [13:25:28] <chrischampion> : @mjmontagne - I try to pass on what I learn to fellow teachers when the info seems pertinent to them
    [13:25:36] <willrich45><djakes> : willrich45djakes is actually
    [13:25:36] <dkuropatwa> : @Bud Well, I think my blog is just one piece of my online learning network. It should be examined in the larger context in which it occurs.
    [13:25:39] <mjmontagne> : @chrischamp-I think the seed will grow fast though...unlike other changes in past
    ...
    [13:25:49] <JenniferWagner> : hmmmm
    [13:25:53] <sharonp> : @Jen, I think there is a larger gender issue here as well
    [13:26:00] <willrich45><djakes> : Do
    [13:26:08] <budtheteacher> : @dkuropatwa: Yes. Exactly. But that's not always happening.
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    <dkuropatwa> : @willrich45@djakes It can
    [13:26:15] <ryanbretag> : @djakes ;-)
    [13:26:20] <sroustan> : @djakes no it is a choir loft
    ...
    [13:26:28] <sharonp> : for some a community, for others, an echo chamber
    [13:26:31] <cchausis> : @djakes... btw -- you are doing a great job of managing the backchannel!
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    <budtheteacher> : @willrich45:@djakes: It doesn't
    [13:26:34] <scmorgan> : djakes-sometimes...everyone picks up on the "new" topic and posts
    [13:26:46] <willrich45><djakes> : Darren, willrich45djakes is djakes
    [13:26:47] <budtheteacher> : Take care, y'all - dragging myself away - what a great group in a great conversation.
    [13:26:58] <JenniferWagner> : bye bud
    [13:26:58] <kpruitt> : We all have slightly different audiences, yes?
    [13:26:59] <sharonp> : thanks for coming along, Bud - nice to see you again
    [13:27:01] <willrich45><djakes> : bud:
    [13:27:03] <dkuropatwa> : See ya Bud! Great, as always, chatiing with you. ;-)
    [13:27:09] <sroustan> : cya bud
    [13:27:14] <willrich45><djakes> : now
    [13:27:15] <dhammond> : Gosh, hate to leave this...have had one foot out the door for half an hour...take notes folks :-)
    [13:27:27] <dkuropatwa> : Cheers Diane!
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    [13:28:17] <chrischampion> : LOL
    [13:28:17] <sharonp> : cya Diane
    [13:28:20] <willrich45><djakes> : uh
    [13:28:26] <JenniferWagner> : ach wants to have the last word
    [13:28:36] <JenniferWagner> : go will
    [13:28:43] <scottswanson> : Will is doing a good face-save, though.
    [13:28:52] <kpruitt> : They should both respond to a Warlick post :)
    [13:28:59] <willrich45><djakes> : LOL
    [13:29:03] <JenniferWagner> : what does the audience vibe feel like??
    [13:29:04] <mjmontagne> : would love to have will come talk to our school...parents and teachers!!!
    ...
    [13:30:24] <scmorgan> : Good questions, though
    [13:30:41] <chrischampion> : Like "Wikiality"?
    [13:30:49] <willrich45><djakes> : we
    [13:31:16] <dkuropatwa> : Gary has a confused argument here. To me he is saying contradicoty things.
    [13:31:24] <scottswanson> : Now, this is a great point he's making.
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    [13:32:45] <chrischampion> : Safe drive, Will
    [13:33:01] <ggrinnell> : Thanks, David. This was my first Ustream experience.
    [13:33:01] <willrich45><djakes> : there
    [13:33:11] <kpruitt> : I need more lights at my presentations
    [13:33:15] <kpruitt> : bye all
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    NYSCATE Chat transcript
    [12:33:02] <nandikerri> : high whine in sound quality here-
    [12:33:02] <robinellis> : Mine too Jen
    [12:33:05] <vjansen> : hi all
    [12:33:09] <nandikerri> : much feedback?
    [12:33:25] <JenniferWagner> : just a bit
    [12:34:02] <willrich45> : How is the sound?
    [12:34:02] <sharonp> : applause applause
    [12:34:06] <nandikerri> : (trying with headphones)
    [12:34:18] <willrich45> : This is @djakes on wills account
    [12:34:20] <sharonp> : audio is NOT the greatest
    [12:34:27] <JenniferWagner> : hey WILL
    [12:34:30] <nandikerri> : thanks for the updatedjakes
    [12:34:35] <sharonp> : quality comes and goes... not too bad now
    [12:34:45] <scottswanson> : Audio is better than this AM's will session, dave.
    [12:34:54] <willrich45> : but you can hear it right
    [12:34:58] <sharonp> : yes
    [12:34:59] <scmorgan> : It's good now
    [12:35:01] <willrich45> : OK
    [12:35:06] <scottswanson> : still a little soft, like the mic is not directional . audible if I turn it up
    [12:35:10] <nandikerri> : barely-
    [12:35:35] <robinellis> : having a hard time hearing as well
    [12:35:43] <JenniferWagner> : lol hey djakes --
    [12:35:43] <nandikerri> : anyone know the topic of this session?
    [12:35:48] <JenniferWagner> : ty for doing this
    [12:35:54] <scmorgan> : External speakers help:)
    [12:36:00] <willrich45> : adjusted volume
    [12:36:02] <scottswanson> : Topic? With Stager there is no topic. Only listen.
    [12:36:08] <simonsays> : Hi Sharon
    [12:36:09] <sharonp> : hah
    [12:36:12] <sharonp> : Hi Simon!
    [12:36:28] <sharonp> : what's the weather like in TO?
    [12:36:33] <nandikerri> : LOL- saw Stager at NYSAIS tech conference a while ago
    [12:36:57] <simonsays> : mild, 11 C
    [12:37:02] <sharonp> : Simon, were you at the edtech conference in TO last week (or so)?
    [12:37:05] <simonsays> : nott bad for November
    [12:37:05] <sharonp> : lucky you
    [12:37:18] <simonsays> : no I wasn't
    [12:37:33] <simonsays> : were you?
    [12:37:48] <nandikerri> : any independent school educators here?
    [12:37:52] <simonsays> : honestly didn't know there was one
    [12:37:54] <sharonp> : no, but I understand that Stager followed Konrad Glogowski and would have loved to have seen that meeting!
    [12:38:08] <lbilak-1> : any stream yet
    [12:38:18] <sharonp> : yes, video and audio is streaming
    [12:38:19] <willrich45> : Please develop a question for Gary or Will
    [12:38:21] <nandikerri> : streaming up, yes
    [12:38:54] <willrich45> : uh oh
    [12:39:37] <willrich45> : everyone still there?
    [12:39:38] <mjmontagne> : how do you address schools w/traditional model who are sending students to best schools in country? How do you encourage these schools look at different methods, techniques and tools?
    [12:39:45] <scottswanson> : we're here, David
    [12:39:54] <mke614> : still here
    [12:39:57] <willrich45> : ok
    [12:39:58] <scmorgan> : yes...sounds good
    [12:40:14] <JenniferWagner> : sound is softr -- but we are here
    [12:40:20] <robinellis> : yes
    [12:40:42] <sharonp> : am thinking .... Stager - I believe - regards himself as a social constructivist... what role does connective technology play (in his way of thinking) beyond creation?
    [12:40:59] <sharonp> : that didn't come out right -
    [12:41:16] <nandikerri> : Q for Will/Gary- have you yet seen the 'school of the future' that you both mention in action anywhere? If so, please describe. If not- describe the school/school exerience that is closest to the school of the future/school 2.0
    [12:41:42] <sharonp> : DOES connective technology(ies) have a place in a social constructivist classroom? i.e. beyond creating programs and products?
    [12:41:53] <willrich45> : Thank you for the questions
    [12:41:54] <mjmontagne> : Audio and video is awesome...ustream rocks!
    [12:41:59] <nandikerri> : his theories about social constructivism predate his public discussions of connectivtive technology....
    [12:42:09] <willrich45> : Will Rich = David Jakes, for those of you new to the chat
    [12:42:21] <scottswanson> : I think he just spoke to the role of connective technology, actually, in that social constructivist framework
    [12:42:28] <willrich45> : What is the single biggest way to improve conferences?
    [12:42:57] <nandikerri> : djakes- found you on twitter, thanks
    [12:43:18] <sharonp> : Why are we separating technology conferences from "mainstream" conferences?
    [12:43:19] <sroustan> : @djakes i think the unconference model - or moderated playing works well
    [12:43:23] <willrich45> : Absolutely
    [12:43:31] <nandikerri> : just came from an unconference here...http://neit.wikispaces.com/AGENDA
    [12:43:46] <scmorgan> : When Gary visited VAIS tech two years ago, he keynoted and then spent the next day in small groups with us. As did Will last year. Makes them a part of the ongoing conversation AFTER the presentation
    [12:43:47] <willrich45> : There is a disconnect between technology and curriculum people
    [12:43:50] <nandikerri> : it mostly worked I think, the conference model must support the content
    [12:44:07] <robinellis> : yes there is djakes still an add on in many places
    [12:44:15] <sharonp> : as long as we have that disconnect.... we will continue to see it systemically, right down to the classroom level
    [12:44:31] <willrich45> : There is a lack of understanding by leadership what the issues are related to technology
    [12:44:52] <sroustan> : i think that's accurate. leadership are beginning to catch on, though
    [12:44:55] <robinellis> : leadership in many cases does not model either
    [12:44:56] <stevehargadon> : I think what Gary is saying is that there are a lot of good pedagogical uses for computers outside of Web 2.0. But something is happening with Web 2.0 and collaboration is something bigger.
    [12:45:22] <willrich45> : I think Will is right on this one...
    [12:45:28] <scmorgan> : We've been arguing about using the filter to control bandwidth...not a great idea from the curricular point of view
    [12:45:30] <robinellis> : I will agree with Will they use as data collection tool
    [12:45:31] <atruger> : DJakes~Disconnect between tech and curriculum that is what I am fighting in my district. We are redesigning our curr and tech is not included
    [12:45:39] <robinellis> : communication tool ie email
    [12:45:43] <nandikerri> : q? for will/gary- will the 'inter/web' users or digital immigrants grow up? Meaning- will anyone care in 10 years about the 'inappropriate' photos of themselves on social networking sites?
    [12:45:45] <scottswanson> : Djakes: for CIOs, yes. Not for district admins and superintendents
    [12:46:04] <nandikerri> : how do you get those that make the decisions to use the technology
    [12:46:12] <sroustan> : ah the great question
    [12:46:14] <sharonp> : ETSB has zero filtering??? what??
    [12:46:18] <willrich45> : @atruger. Yes, technology generally is not seen as part of the curriculum, or is it in your schools?
    [12:46:21] <susanvg> : but other school boards in Quebec filter everything
    [12:46:27] <sharonp> : Quebecers.... is that true?
    [12:46:36] <scmorgan> : yes, at our school it is
    [12:46:46] <atruger> : @djakes Nope it is an add on when someone points it out
    [12:46:50] <susanvg> : As far as I know they are not filtering at ETSB
    [12:46:52] <simonsays> : YouTube was blocked at by my board because one teacher complained
    [12:47:02] <nandikerri> : is 'technology' a curriculum or a tool or both? is'nt this the first pedgogical decision?
    [12:47:02] <willrich45> : djakes: I agree, atruger
    [12:47:04] <simonsays> : thankfully that decision was reversed
    [12:47:06] <atruger> : I am the tech specialist at my dist and it's just nuts
    [12:47:08] <nandikerri> : hi from the chat room!
    [12:47:14] <sharonp> : I find that hard to believe.... but it may be true - I want to talk to the RECIT guy at ETSB then!
    [12:47:16] <simonsays> : now we just need to address the bandwidth issue
    [12:47:18] <scmorgan> : Teachers at my school are not blocked at all
    [12:47:35] <khokanson> : bandwidth is a hugh problem
    [12:47:39] <sharonp> : scmorgan - where are you?
    [12:47:52] <scmorgan> : yes, but it can be controlled in ways other than the filter:)
    [12:47:59] <scmorgan> : Virginia
    [12:48:05] <scmorgan> : independent school
    [12:48:11] <atruger> : We were not filtered bc no on did anything and now they just started blocking everything! I get around it or else I would not be here
    [12:48:20] <scottswanson> : if bandwidth is a huge problem, then it is an artifical one in many cases. the fiber exists. it's a pricing model or other economic/political block, then
    [12:48:33] <khokanson> : very true scott
    [12:48:40] <nandikerri> : <--no blocking here at all, NYC independent school
    [12:48:41] <willrich45> : QUESTION: Can we translate the way we learning individually to a larger context that would apply to classrooms of kids?
    [12:48:49] <khokanson> : but if the infrastructure is not in place it make things difficult
    [12:48:58] <scottswanson> : No blocking here, either -- IMSA (state public selective residential 10-12)
    [12:49:01] <willrich45> : infrastructure = leadership
    [12:49:01] <simonsays> : our bandwidth is wide open for admin, half of that for teachers, and half again for students
    [12:49:08] <atruger> : I second that khokanson
    [12:49:10] <sharonp> : good point, teacher is changed, not diminished
    [12:49:17] <shoemap> : Most collaborative tools require email address to sign up..students don't have. A barrier for our district.
    [12:49:33] <khokanson> : but often it is the board, not the teachers / administrators that are makng the financial decisions
    [12:49:53] <fsinfo> : can you get around the email problem by creating an email for that purpose like with gaggle.net?
    [12:50:00] <willrich45> : @shoemap. We have to give kids email addresses for that purpose (comment by djakes)
    [12:50:04] <scmorgan> : yes, go Gary!
    [12:50:24] <khokanson> : and those folks / the $$ decision makers are often not educators & have their own agenda
    [12:50:33] <scottswanson> : again, this is just policy and fear. Google apps for education are free without ads for all students. ahem?
    [12:50:36] <scmorgan> : djakes-we give our kids school emails and then tell them to get back up gmail accounts
    [12:50:36] <shoemap> : Gaggle presented to us last week. Wouldn't load. Not a good sign.
    [12:50:54] <JenniferWagner> : do we need email addresses?? would not access to wiki's do the same - especially for those who don't allow email for students
    [12:51:08] <atruger> : Our district is freaking out about Google stuff...free or not
    [12:51:13] <cchausis> : anyone using the Google provided emails for schools... uses your existing domain
    [12:51:18] <fsinfo> : right now voicethread and animoto need email registrations for instance
    [12:51:21] <shoemap> : Wikis are a good start, but there is so much more out there
    [12:51:24] <khokanson> : @jlwagner but you need email to get a wiki account
    [12:51:33] <scottswanson> : jennifer: the problem is not "getting around blocked email", it's torching the limited minds who want to stop students from emailing (= communicating) in the first place
    [12:51:37] <willrich45> : giving kids email addresses is the least of our problems, if we can't solve that, we are toast (comment by djakes)
    [12:51:41] <khokanson> : most web20 aps need email for sign up
    [12:51:41] <JenniferWagner> : no -- you can create one for your students to utlize
    [12:51:54] <JenniferWagner> : specailly for the YOUNGER students
    [12:51:54] <cchausis> : wikispaces will create custom logins and passwords for your students... no email required
    [12:52:00] <sharonp> : email accts not necessarily needed - the guys at wikispaces are very accommodating - one just needs to email them and ask
    [12:52:12] <JenniferWagner> : yes!! charlene!!
    [12:52:13] <cchausis> : contact the wikispaces team, Dom, Adam, etc.
    [12:52:17] <khokanson> : @jlwagner but one account, the kids can't be held accountable..Sharon I have found the same thing
    [12:52:23] <simonsays> : gotta love wikispaces!
    [12:52:27] <scottswanson> : red herring, folks! these are tcchnical details. stop being clever at getting around them and sack the idiots causing the problems in the first place.
    [12:52:39] <shoemap> : :-)
    [12:52:46] <atruger> : LOL
    [12:52:46] <willrich45> : QUESTION: Chris Lehmann says: What is the worst consequence of your best idea? Discus
    [12:52:57] <sharonp> : agreed scott, but so many decisions are made through fear and ignorance, not reality and pedagogy
    [12:53:03] <JenniferWagner> : LOL there are always going to be "idiots" we just need to find workarounds until they go away :)
    [12:53:13] <scottswanson> : My focus in more on making them go away.
    [12:53:43] <atruger> : @chris Lehman A learning opportunity
    [12:53:48] <sharonp> : we are all at different places in terms of spheres of influence.... we can only operate in teh sphere we are in
    [12:54:08] <nandikerri> : microphone issues...?
    [12:54:12] <scottswanson> : until then, I guess I am glad that we use lame blocking software, so the kids can get around it anyway. (nice intermod moment, Will!)
    [12:54:13] <atruger> : cell phone
    [12:54:17] <mke614> : I was wondering what that was. lol
    [12:54:18] <willrich45> : no, will got a call on his iphone
    [12:54:34] <nandikerri> : LOL
    [12:54:34] <sharonp> : Will's obsession has caught up with him!
    [12:54:34] <kpruitt> : eliminate overlap in districts and you could free up enough money to do just about anything. We have 3 "web page" options
    [12:54:39] <atruger> : lol
    [12:54:40] <scottswanson> : that's the blipping of GSM intermod. I think we all know it, sigh.
    [12:54:41] <scmorgan> : Will says it so well....
    [12:54:43] <JenniferWagner> : I have thoght about Chris' comment since it was posted a long time ago -- I think my worst consequence was that I lost my job -- which ended up being a GREAT consequenc
    [12:55:10] <scmorgan> : Wow, JenniferW...that's neat!
    [12:55:12] <JenniferWagner> : guess what I mean was - it was well worth the consequence
    [12:55:14] <shoemap> : That's a pretty big consequence
    [12:55:48] <nandikerri> : Worse consequence tunred out to be a community-wide discussion with parents about the 'why' of technology in education, I ended up just watching
    [12:55:56] <atruger> : Close a door open a window and fly
    [12:55:57] <willrich45> : Tell me the percentage of teachers in your building that are Web 2.0 tool savvy...
    [12:55:59] <cchausis> : it's amazing... there are 50 of us viewing and discussing this
    [12:56:09] <mke614> : 1%
    [12:56:11] <atruger> : 0%
    [12:56:11] <scmorgan> : Those consequences move us along, though. Regardless of how huge they are
    [12:56:13] <JenniferWagner> : %
    [12:56:18] <JenniferWagner> : %
    [12:56:19] <nandikerri> : (I gave 3rd graders email addys for a project and asked for forgiveness after)
    [12:56:19] <kpruitt> : 2%
    [12:56:19] <scottswanson> : 10%?
    [12:56:22] <JenniferWagner> : fiv e
    [12:56:26] <cchausis> : maybe 1%
    [12:56:26] <sroustan> : 1-2%
    [12:56:28] <nandikerri> : 50%
    [12:56:38] <JenniferWagner> : natalie wants to know what you mean by tech savey
    [12:56:38] <scmorgan> : 20%
    [12:56:41] <cchausis> : sorry.. maybe 10%
    [12:56:54] <fsinfo> : maybe 1 %
    [12:57:01] <willrich45> : they understand what web 2.0 tools are and can apply those tools to learning
    [12:57:10] <cchausis> : web2.0 savvy vs tech savvy?
    [12:57:13] <willrich45> : djakes = willrich in the discussion
    [12:57:14] <scottswanson> : oh, if that's all, 25%
    [12:57:17] <JenniferWagner> : we change to 1/2 percent
    [12:57:17] <willrich45> : Web 2.o
    [12:57:22] <shoemap> : not many know what web 2.0 means despite workshops and usergroups going on
    [12:57:32] <budtheteacher> : Djakes/willrich: I thought you were on a plane.
    [12:57:36] <willrich45> : focus, Gary
    [12:57:39] <chrischampion> : Thanks David... I was trying to find WillRich's keyboard up there :-)
    [12:57:40] <JenniferWagner> : I have two friends watching with us!!!
    [12:57:45] <willrich45> : nah
    [12:57:48] <sharonp> : Bud, try to keep up!
    [12:57:54] <cchausis> : teachers just returned from NCTE and came back more aware!
    [12:58:21] <sharonp> : was there a lot of web 2 at NCTE??
    [12:58:26] <budtheteacher> : @sharonp: Forgive me - I'm slow.
    [12:58:33] <sharonp> : lol
    [12:58:36] <budtheteacher> : I'm curious about NCTE, too - I'm usually there.
    [12:58:40] <willrich45> : QUESTION: how many teachers in your schools would be interested in learning more about Web 2.0
    [12:58:41] <budtheteacher> : Missed it this year.
    [12:58:42] <scmorgan> : Mine did, too cchausis
    [12:58:48] <JenniferWagner> : 005
    [12:58:53] <chrischampion> : I think a small %, David
    [12:58:54] <JenniferWagner> : ONE HUNDRED
    [12:59:06] <scottswanson> : 80%, David.
    [12:59:08] <dhammond> : language arts = reading + writing + THINKING!
    [12:59:09] <shoemap> : They say they are interested in web 2.0, but don't follow up or try much
    [12:59:15] <sharonp> : I think many - most teachers would think it ONE MORE thing on their already overloaded plate
    [12:59:18] <chrischampion> : right, shoemap
    [12:59:24] <JenniferWagner> : they are very interested -- but we are taking baby steps
    [12:59:28] <fsinfo> : maybe 20% - many don't want to change
    [12:59:41] <chrischampion> : "As long as I don't have to learn something IN ADDITION to my district's initiatives
    [12:59:41] <JenniferWagner> : they are teaching each other -- not me teaching them
    [12:59:47] <cchausis> : did everyone here order their XO?
    [12:59:51] <sharonp> : we need to show them that often web 2 is a more EFFICIENT way to use tech
    [12:59:59] <sharonp> : yes, mine is on the way.... I hope
    [13:00:05] <willrich45> : Efficient, or transformative?
    [13:00:05] <sroustan> : @cchausis no - no money. :(
    [13:00:18] <scottswanson> : @cchausis 11/12 AM
    [13:00:27] <sharonp> : @djakes - we know BOTH, but time is an issue
    [13:00:32] <scmorgan> : My teachers say they feel overwhelmed...yes, transformative...at first using tech in not more efficient:)
    [13:00:36] <willrich45> : why is time an issue?
    [13:00:44] <nandikerri> : technology can be both efficient and transformative...which is your goal first?
    [13:00:48] <cchausis> : @scmorgan -- agree heartily
    [13:00:53] <sharonp> : lack of time, perceived lack of time to learn new skills
    [13:00:54] <scottswanson> : nandi: xform
    [13:00:54] <willrich45> : if its important, schools find time
    [13:01:00] <robinellis> : depends on the individual as well
    [13:01:03] <scmorgan> : Yes, but doesn't the efficiency come after the learning?
    [13:01:05] <JenniferWagner> : because they are not seeing how the tool can be used RATHER than the standard old way
    [13:01:05] <robinellis> : for some time is not an issue
    [13:01:08] <atruger> : Bye Alll....gotta go to a meeting : (
    [13:01:09] <dkuropatwa> : time will always be an issue for teachers, the reqal question revovles around how teachers choose to use the time they have.
    [13:01:09] <chrischampion> : My colleagues are all for efficiency - embraced computer gradebooks. But they think I'm nuts when they hear about podcasts
    [13:01:11] <sroustan> : @djakes teachers think tech is hard to learn and takes a lot of time
    [13:01:16] <sharonp> : I agree djakes, takes leadership with vision to see this
    [13:01:20] <JenniferWagner> : theydon't see "integration" and I know you hate that word -- but they see separation
    [13:01:22] <cchausis> : then they realize time invested now = big payback later
    [13:01:37] <willrich45> : i'm not interested in efficiency, i'm interested in using the tech to support student learning in a deep way, and if that takes time, so be it
    [13:01:39] <robinellis> : they see what technology can do in their teaching and the students learning and they are willing to spend time making it work
    [13:01:39] <nandikerri> : i think al this depends on your PD model
    [13:01:43] <scmorgan> : The teachers who "get it" do see the rewards
    [13:01:48] <kpruitt> : Awards for AYP! No award for attending PD
    [13:01:59] <cchausis> : AYP?
    [13:02:04] <nandikerri> : it is hard to ask teachers to be transformative in a system that constantly limits them
    [13:02:08] <sharonp> : @darren - I agree, but many of our school systems are implementing curricular reform right now too -
    [13:02:19] <nandikerri> : AYP?
    [13:02:24] <fsinfo> : chausis Annual yearly progress - you don't have to worry at your HS
    [13:02:28] <dkuropatwa> : Good teaching always takes time, I think ,many teachers don't see the possibilities inherent in web based tools.
    [13:02:28] <khokanson> : Annual Yearly Progress...meeting goals on State Stand tests
    [13:02:37] <kpruitt> : ty
    [13:02:40] <scmorgan> : Gary's comments about PD....what do you think?
    [13:02:45] <chrischampion> : nandikerri: not just limiting them, but challenging their already limited time
    [13:02:47] <shoemap> : Adequate Yearly Progress - part of No Child Left Behind Law
    [13:02:52] <nandikerri> : hmmm....I'm in a different arena with Indy schools
    [13:02:57] <sharonp> : @darren - agree.... they need to see good models of pedagogy and student learning
    [13:03:11] <willrich45> : @nandikerri-I agree-to a point, but some of the lack of application of tech falls of the shoulders of teachers. There, I said it. (comment by djakes)
    [13:03:14] <khokanson> : but you are right if PD ws built into learning goals and student achievement,aka SLA
    [13:03:17] <dkuropatwa> : @sharon, yes, they are implimenting reforms, and while I may be wrong about this, I think they are making these "new" implementations without exploring the possibilities in the read/write web.
    [13:03:22] <dhammond> : teacher=lead learner
    [13:03:22] <nandikerri> : isn't this where building leadrship can be more inportant that district?
    [13:03:23] <khokanson> : wouldn't be much argument
    [13:03:26] <chrischampion> : right, KH
    [13:03:38] <fsinfo> : this will be saved right?
    [13:03:38] <chrischampion> : but SLA redefines the model from teh ground up
    [13:03:42] <dkuropatwa> : Nodding @dhammond
    [13:03:42] <scmorgan> : I can't wait to visit SLA!
    [13:03:45] <fsinfo> : I have to go and want to listen later
    [13:03:55] <shoemap> : One to One is the way to go.
    [13:03:55] <fsinfo> : wish the chat was saved too
    [13:03:58] <sharonp> : I see this in QC, we have a new curricula that BEGS for web 2.0 tools and environments - teachers just haven't made the connection yet
    [13:03:58] <khokanson> : @fsinfo the recording, but not the chat :(
    [13:04:12] <fsinfo> : can someone copy and paste it and save it
    [13:04:14] <khokanson> : unless @djakes is gonna copy to a wiki somewhere
    [13:04:20] <willrich45> : dkuropatwa is now huge in Rochester, people loved your stuff, Darren
    [13:04:21] <nandikerri> : you need the 'right people' on the right seats on your bus, so to speak- this takes us inot a whol new confab about faculty PD in general & who is in the classroom
    [13:04:24] <JenniferWagner> : until they see no separation of "Tech" and education -- we will continually fight the battle of no time. At least, I am seeing that at my location. Once they see them merging -- I see progress
    [13:04:28] <sharonp> : can the chat be saved? missingl lots
    [13:04:36] <khokanson> : @nandikerri we use that analogy ALL THE TIME
    [13:04:41] <scmorgan> : djakes, I keep thinking about your comment about efficiency. I've had an ah ha moment...thanks
    [13:04:41] <willrich45> : absolutely, Gary-teachers have to live it first
    [13:04:42] <kpruitt> : ah ha...playtime
    [13:04:43] <khokanson> : sharon...me too...network stuff
    [13:04:43] <sharonp> : I agree Jen,
    [13:04:43] <fsinfo> : please someome sve it
    [13:04:44] <dkuropatwa> : I see so many possibilities in the thinkgs my own kids are bringing home from school each day. Their teachres just aren't aware of the possibilities ... and I'm afraid ... thay are fearful of learning.
    [13:04:47] <fsinfo> : bye for now
    [13:05:05] <budtheteacher> : that's too true, darren
    [13:05:24] <chrischampion> : @nandikerri - right, we need to place people with the authority to make change, though. If you put someone in charge of tech that has no bearing on curriculum, you just give teachers a tech support rep, not a leader
    [13:05:31] <nandikerri> : the model of 'teaching' is changing, yes- but those in the game now may not want to play by the new rules
    [13:05:32] <dkuropatwa> : Is this a recording or is it live? If live, Will, how are you in the chat without moving your hands? Magic? ;-)
    [13:05:38] <jimwenz> : Isn't it a control issue for a lot of teachers
    [13:05:47] <sharonp> : live, need to watch the recording again later
    [13:05:54] <chrischampion> : @djakes is @WillRich45 today on the keyb
    [13:06:04] <dkuropatwa> : HIya Dave!
    [13:06:08] <dkuropatwa> : Thanks Chris! ;-)
    [13:06:09] <willrich45> : willrich is djakes
    [13:06:26] <willrich45> : hey chris
    [13:06:31] <budtheteacher> : will's going for the jugular that I want to go for right now. Don't do stuff with students until you understand what you're doing. At least a little.
    [13:06:39] <scmorgan> : Will is right here. Get the teachers to use the tools, learn, develop learning communities
    [13:06:47] <dkuropatwa> : nodding @budtheteacher
    [13:06:51] <nandikerri> : @chriscahmpion- so the question begs how to you get 'Directors of Acaddemic Technology' in place in the public school system? This is our model- the educator is the director, the curricular needs dictates the tools we buy....
    [13:06:59] <sharonp> : great point!!
    [13:07:11] <willrich45> : QUESTION: those of you who have kids, are you happy with their education? Within the context of technology or otherwise?
    [13:07:14] <chrischampion> : Right: Directors of Curriculum = Directors of Technology
    [13:07:18] <soffenhauser> : yes, don't worry about using it with your kids until you understand how it works for you - this is what I am facing in my district and trying to tackle
    [13:07:19] <jimwenz> : How long will we have to wait for the teachers to get it.
    [13:07:24] <dhammond> : the assessment piece will become clearer for us when we (teachers) use the tools for our own learning.
    [13:07:34] <sroustan> : no, i'm already supplementing for my son with tech education
    [13:07:34] <shoemap> : Teachers in buildings with principals that get/use it have more of a chance
    [13:07:41] <sroustan> : did i mention my son is in pre-school?
    [13:07:42] <chrischampion> : Supervisor/Evaluator rubric: teacher uses technology to effectively teach a concept
    [13:07:42] <sharonp> : My son is in laptop program - not being used to the best potential - at ALL - no web 2
    [13:07:45] <JenniferWagner> : I have teachers / parents standing by -- And they are saying NO
    [13:07:46] <nandikerri> : @chischapion- yes, but there is a growth curve about thisin each ed community too
    [13:07:47] <scmorgan> : true shoemap
    [13:07:55] <willrich45> : @shoemap. You have a chance if you have leadership
    [13:07:58] <sroustan> : actually, he will be in preschool next year..so pre-preschool
    [13:08:08] <chrischampion> : very true shoemap
    [13:08:10] <mjmontagne> : @soffenhauser...I disagree w/you...let the kids use it! If we wait for everyone to get involved nothing will happen
    [13:08:14] <nandikerri> : @jwagner- no to what?
    [13:08:25] <chrischampion> : My prin (at a vocational-technical school) is a neophyte
    [13:08:31] <dkuropatwa> : No real new pedagogy/tech leadership in my kids school. Wife and I are discussing alternatives.
    [13:08:36] <scmorgan> : But Matt, often the teachers won't LET the kids use it if they don't get it.
    [13:08:38] <soffenhauser> : principals are behind in my opionion and need to be brought up to speed also
    [13:08:38] <kpruitt> : higher education needs to take some responsibility
    [13:08:55] <JenniferWagner> : They are not happy with their child's education
    [13:08:58] <shoemap> : @kpruitt i agree
    [13:09:00] <scmorgan> : kpruitt--find gardner campbell on twitter..and his blog...good stuff
    [13:09:00] <nandikerri> : if we waited for the adults to get it when the VCR was introduced for home use where would we be now?
    [13:09:02] <JenniferWagner> : AND THEY TEACH AT MY SCHOOL
    [13:09:10] <JenniferWagner> : these are teachers at my school answering DJ
    [13:09:16] <nandikerri> : how do we remove the fear?
    [13:09:18] <soffenhauser> : yes let kids use it but - absolutely - but we have a 1:1 in which the teacherd are not even sure how to use it.
    [13:09:26] <JenniferWagner> : people standing around watching this
    [13:09:38] <mjmontagne> : @soffen...I follow what you're sayin'
    [13:09:41] <dkuropatwa> : programming in the curriculum is not for everyone.
    [13:09:42] <mjmontagne> : great conversation here
    [13:09:48] <budtheteacher> : that's a bad question.
    [13:09:49] <willrich45> : easy to use does not mean lack of rigor
    [13:09:49] <sharonp> : so where is the effective teacher training to get the teachers to use 1:1 more effectively??
    [13:09:57] <scmorgan> : right djakes
    [13:10:08] <khokanson> : very hard to work with students AND listen...do tweet if this chat gets copied somewhere :)
    [13:10:08] <budtheteacher> : you need to be able to do things easily - and to understand how and why they're easy to do.
    [13:10:13] <nandikerri> : lusanne laptop institute
    [13:10:17] <scmorgan> : back to the academic dean/coordinator sharonp
    [13:10:21] <willrich45> : @sharonp. Why use the word training? I'm serious. Training is Pavlovian...
    [13:10:29] <soffenhauser> : what is happening in teacher prep programs? Are universities current?
    [13:10:31] <sroustan> : lol @djakes
    [13:10:33] <sharonp> : sorry.... professional dev
    [13:10:40] <willrich45> : It's behaviorist, i do this, then you do that
    [13:10:40] <cchausis> : change "training" to "learning"
    [13:10:42] <budtheteacher> : "current" is relative
    [13:10:43] <sroustan> : Is conditioning better?
    [13:10:58] <dkuropatwa> : Right onh Will!
    [13:10:59] <mjmontagne> : @cchausis-I'm going to use that one...
    [13:11:03] <chrischampion> : soffenhauser: I dont' think the gap is for new teachers as much as "seasoned" ones
    [13:11:08] <willrich45> : Darren, Will is David Jakes
    [13:11:18] <scmorgan> : it is at our school, chrischampion
    [13:11:20] <willrich45> : I'm logged in as him
    [13:11:20] <kpruitt> : Teachers job to help develop understanding...tech's job to make collabortion/reflection easy
    [13:11:22] <nandikerri> : it is not generational but a lifestyle choice
    [13:11:22] <dkuropatwa> : I meant the guy talking in the video. ;-)
    [13:11:28] <budtheteacher> : @chrischampion: Age isn't the determining factor here.
    [13:11:40] <shoemap> : @bud I agree
    [13:11:41] <kmurray352> : We are dealing with people who don't want to be empowered.
    [13:11:46] <jimwenz> : Will is making a great point. It is what Marco Torres talks about when he says does it have wings
    [13:11:49] <scmorgan> : the new teachers facebook but don't necessarily know what to do in the clssroom with the kids
    [13:12:01] <nandikerri> : teachers guide the development of understanding/knowledge/wisdom...keyword-GUIDE
    [13:12:07] <willrich45> : Using the work training diminishes the idea that learning should take place on a daily basis for educators
    [13:12:13] <chrischampion> : @bud - we have a new teacher here who is a native... she doesn't understand why everyone else doesn't get it
    [13:12:15] <kpruitt> : entertainment vs education
    [13:12:16] <mrmosesdotorg> : it's not about "old" or "new" teachers. It's about teaching style and philosophy.
    [13:12:17] <dkuropatwa> : New teachers facebook for themselves don't see the possibilities it has for education.
    [13:12:20] <sharonp> : publishing without have to know computer code is HUGE - as well as having access to a place where it can go
    [13:12:29] <nandikerri> : educator=life long learner, yes?
    [13:12:45] <budtheteacher> : @chrischampion: You're got a teacher who is techno-friendly. Let's skip the native stuff.
    [13:12:47] <sroustan> : @chrischampion. i feel the same way a lot of the time - it takes effort to try to understand those who don't get it
    [13:12:50] <dkuropatwa> : Imagine a network that consist s of your students and other classes from round the world lead by facebook savy educators.
    [13:12:52] <nandikerri> : education +entertainment=edutainment
    [13:12:54] <JenniferWagner> : is this the first Richardson/Stager match up??
    [13:13:00] <willrich45> : teacher as connector
    [13:13:01] <budtheteacher> : oopos - "you've"
    [13:13:05] <willrich45> : teacher as catalyst
    [13:13:09] <scmorgan> : re Gary...but don't we need to "cheerlead" a little?
    [13:13:09] <chrischampion> : RIGHT.. not just what's next, but what standards or goals did they accomplish? Blog to blog is not learning.
    [13:13:11] <dkuropatwa> : I'm thinking of something like Clarence Fisher and Barbara Bereda's Thin Walled Classroom.
    [13:13:11] <budtheteacher> : oops - "oops"
    [13:13:19] <cchausis> : @dkuropatwa -- sounds like a NING waiting to happen
    [13:13:19] <willrich45> : teacher as champion for kids
    [13:13:24] <sharonp> : @djakes... seems my gaffe brought out your best
    [13:13:34] <willrich45> : COMPLETE THIS...Teacher as
    [13:13:34] <shoemap> : Not another Ning!
    [13:13:36] <nandikerri> : digital natives- this is not generational either, think of it like being mechanically minded? Vulcan spirit?
    [13:13:53] <cchausis> : facilitator of learning
    [13:13:58] <nandikerri> : Teacher as coach
    [13:14:00] <JenniferWagner> : Teacher as good example
    [13:14:04] <kpruitt> : Teacher as sled-dog :)
    [13:14:08] <nandikerri> : Teacher as guide (on the side)
    [13:14:09] <sroustan> : random: when do you teach US history? 8th? 9th? 10th?
    [13:14:21] <willrich45> : sled-dog. LOL
    [13:14:26] <dkuropatwa> : Gary is COMPLETELY off base when he suggests displaying student work for public review has questionable value.
    [13:14:31] <scmorgan> : 11th
    [13:14:35] <nandikerri> : earlier mention of someone to follow on twitter- gardner? repost?
    [13:14:40] <sroustan> : @scmorgan where are you?
    [13:14:45] <JenniferWagner> : how about the teacher as the sled-- and get the students to be the "dogs"
    [13:14:53] <nandikerri> : @dkuropatwa- comletely agree
    [13:14:58] <scmorgan> : Gardner Campbell hold on I'll get his blog
    [13:15:03] <willrich45> : @darren. He is suggesting that teachers need to go deeper, not just a superficial product for display
    [13:15:11] <nandikerri> : ty!
    [13:15:11] <dkuropatwa> : Gary keeps comparing the current educational context to his own education.
    [13:15:12] <mrmosesdotorg> : displaying student work is of questionable value if the assessment itself is of questionable value
    [13:15:12] <budtheteacher> : @dkuropatwa: But he's right - sometimes it's not about the work - it's about the publicity.
    [13:15:13] <kpruitt> : What about the thinking process invloved in preparing material for an outside audience??
    [13:15:13] <chrischampion> : Displaying work makes the work authentic. Watch the student shake when the assignment becomes a public display... they WANT to do it right and better when it is on display.
    [13:15:25] <dkuropatwa> : In philosophy we call that a wiggish comparisson.
    [13:15:31] <cchausis> : authentic audience raises quality
    [13:15:34] <shoemap> : Feedback is key
    [13:15:34] <dkuropatwa> : Out of place because it's out of time.
    [13:15:37] <khokanson> : it sure does
    [13:15:41] <dhammond> : The kids who want to be computer programmers find the courses they need. We don't all need to program!
    [13:15:45] <sharonp> : agreed, audience raises the bar
    [13:15:46] <scmorgan> : http://www.gardnercampbell.net/blog1/ Listen to his "digital imagination" or "Deschool"
    [13:15:59] <nandikerri> : ty!
    [13:16:13] <mrmosesdotorg> : the audience may raise the bar, but it may be raising the level of something that is without value
    [13:16:22] <nandikerri> : two different discussions- integration and computer science/programming
    [13:16:25] <willrich45> : right, but the product displayed should be created as a result of a rigourus process that enables them to display deep understanding, not just Animoto
    [13:16:26] <kpruitt> : The rules are aginst using it..
    [13:16:32] <scottswanson> : teaching algorithmic thinking, though, is critical for 21st century skills
    [13:16:43] <chrischampion> : I teach programming - it is no different to this discussion as English instruction (which I'm also certified to teach)
    [13:16:44] <JenniferWagner> : but animoto might be the first step to something bigger
    [13:16:49] <shoemap> : This should be good
    [13:16:56] <budtheteacher> : h
    [13:17:00] <willrich45> : OK, but we need to make sure that happens and just leave it at that
    [13:17:00] <scmorgan> : Yup
    [13:17:01] <kpruitt> : agreed JL
    [13:17:03] <khokanson> : david your are SO right....it needs to be a part of the authentic learning process not an add on
    [13:17:04] <chrischampion> : LOL shoe
    [13:17:19] <scmorgan> : Go Will
    [13:17:22] <sharonp> : it is all in the design of the activity or learning situation
    [13:17:54] <budtheteacher> : we teach programming in language arts all the time - programming= manipulation of basic information in order to communicate or create
    [13:17:58] <soffenhauser> : JenniferWagner - teacher as example - yes - teachers need to model the use
    [13:17:59] <chrischampion> : Twitter is "read/write web" 140 characters at a time
    [13:18:09] <dkuropatwa> : I think Gary is suffering from "functional fixity." The great thing about effective read/write web intergration in pedagogy is the ability to see a tool out of it's intended context and redefine the way it can be used. That's the wow factor in all this. See old things in new light.
    [13:18:15] <scmorgan> : teacher as example--like that one
    [13:18:20] <mjmontagne> : email should be limited to 140 characthers...!!!
    [13:18:28] <scottswanson> : but do we teach with with proper use of logical decomposition? That's important, too; to see the CS-y stuff in language arts and embrace it
    [13:18:30] <sharonp> : like that - "functional fixity"
    [13:18:38] <mrmosesdotorg> : email should be abolished
    [13:18:39] <khokanson> : gah I hate to have to leave this convo...but I have to go to my son's 2nd grade conference
    [13:18:40] <budtheteacher> : @dkuropatwa: i agree w/ you
    [13:18:45] <khokanson> : should be blog worthy :P
    [13:18:59] <dkuropatwa> : Cheers Kelly!
    [13:19:25] <sharonp> : and aren't we supposed to be teaching our students to move out funcitional fixity - isn't that an example of critical thinking and creativity?
    [13:19:28] <budtheteacher> : but I think we should all have a gary stager in the back of our heads when we're working with some of these tools. Just 'cause we can doesn't mean that we should.
    [13:19:37] <dkuropatwa> : nodding @sharronp
    [13:19:40] <chrischampion> : true @bud
    [13:19:44] <budtheteacher> : (can meaning "do something")
    [13:19:48] <dkuropatwa> : and @bud ;-)
    [13:19:51] <jimwenz> : How many people thought Twitter was a complete waste of time at first glance?
    [13:19:58] <dkuropatwa> : I did.
    [13:19:59] <shoemap> : I did for sure!
    [13:20:00] <budtheteacher> : @jimwenz: Everyone that uses it.
    [13:20:05] <nandikerri> : <--me, too
    [13:20:09] <scottswanson> : @jim most everyone i've talked to. yet, half of us find great utility
    [13:20:09] <jimwenz> : Me too!
    [13:20:10] <chrischampion> : @jimwenz me too
    [13:20:10] <marsenault> : I did.
    [13:20:12] <scmorgan> : @bud That's why these conversations are so good
    [13:20:15] <marsenault> : It got me here.
    [13:20:16] <mrmosesdotorg> : I did too. I live by twitter now.
    [13:20:17] <willrich45> : Gary is all about fundamental literacies, using them to develop understanding on a deep level
    [13:20:20] <dhammond> : Twitter - I thought it was like stalking. Can't live without it now!
    [13:20:22] <sharonp> : yes, it is cocking our heads to one side when we see a new tool or environment and asking how we can use it not WHEN can we use it
    [13:20:27] <khokanson> : great conversation all will look forward to a transcript
    [13:20:33] <dkuropatwa> : I dislike all the "2.0" suffixes added to anything educational.
    [13:20:34] <chrischampion> : @marsenault I came here as a result of a twitter post too
    [13:20:34] <JenniferWagner> : xplaining to watching teacher WHY we do this.......anyone want to share with her why
    [13:20:35] <nandikerri> : twitterbin is up now in my my window- great tool for work
    [13:20:39] <scottswanson> : @djakes: yes, agreed, which is why I DONT think he's vicitm to functional fixity
    [13:20:41] <willrich45> : Gary says we dont need digital storytelling because we've always had film-making
    [13:20:47] <chrischampion> : (thanks @djakes)
    [13:20:52] <willrich45> : what is fixity?
    [13:20:52] <budtheteacher> : I do, too, Darren - but I use them to market stuff.
    [13:20:59] <JenniferWagner> : LOL, I will refrain from commenting on GS comments
    [13:21:01] <nandikerri> : why we do what? twitter? ed tech?
    [13:21:02] <kpruitt> : Hate twitter like I hat my cell phone....need both close by all the time :)
    [13:21:10] <nandikerri> : to change the world, of course, :)
    [13:21:21] <sroustan> : world domination!
    [13:21:21] <dkuropatwa> : @Jen read the chat. ;-) We're here from all over the worlkd getting high quality, just in time, PD. There are other reasons, but that's a good start.
    [13:21:22] <chrischampion> : @kpruitt plus I twitter from my cell
    [13:21:24] <nandikerri> : filmmaking is one mass form of video storytelling
    [13:21:34] <scmorgan> : I do get frustrated when I've missed a day of Tweets...want to a catch up but want to keep going
    [13:21:38] <nandikerri> : before that we (gasp) theater!
    [13:21:39] <JenniferWagner> : Hi Darren -- grins I KNOW -- she is just questioning me
    [13:21:41] <kpruitt> : Gary's expressions are like a sweaty Nixion
    [13:21:50] <sharonp> : to engage in stimulating disciussion.... so I can have djakes straighten out my thinking about the words I use.... like training!
    [13:22:01] <sroustan> : you mean conditioning?
    [13:22:03] <nandikerri> : twitter from the cell helped me with car trouble last week-:)
    [13:22:03] <marsenault> : @kpruitt LMAO
    [13:22:04] <chrischampion> : nandikerri: video can be powerful. Chemistry concept? don't just take a test, make an instructional video. You won't get it 85% right
    [13:22:13] <dhammond> : charletons??? you mean people with opinions? who's real or not?
    [13:22:15] <dkuropatwa> : smial @Jen I know your sharing other's qwuestions. ;-)
    [13:22:19] <JenniferWagner> : LOL, Sharon, don't let DJ change you too much!!!
    [13:22:21] <budtheteacher> : s
    [13:22:22] <willrich45> : what do you think of Gary's perspective of blogging
    [13:22:46] <dkuropatwa> : Doesn't Gary have a blog where comments are disallowed?
    [13:22:52] <JenniferWagner> : what is GS perspective of blogging??
    [13:22:55] <dkuropatwa> : Isn't that kind of like a car without wheels?
    [13:22:59] <marsenault> : Isn't blogging about conversations?
    [13:23:06] <scottswanson> : Not originally, no, mar
    [13:23:06] <atruger> : I am back now
    [13:23:08] <chrischampion> : OK... so isn't this just talking about action?
    [13:23:08] <kpruitt> : About half of my RSS feeds have gone inactive...the cream will rise
    [13:23:15] <scmorgan> : He seems to be on a one-way road
    [13:23:29] <budtheteacher> : I don't think Gary's wrong about blogging. Does'nt make it unvaluable - but there is a lot of junk to wade through.
    [13:23:32] <nandikerri> : blogging is writing for an audience & inviting discussion- no comments means it is just a man-iphesto
    [13:23:35] <ryanbretag> : @djakes is this video being saved? Having issues with it on my end
    [13:23:37] <chrischampion> : Q to the group? How do we turn THIS conversation into action?
    [13:23:52] <budtheteacher> : I don't think you need commenting to have a blog.
    [13:23:53] <shoemap> : I think I need to check out his blog!
    [13:24:02] <marsenault> : There's a lot of junk everywhere. Didn't they make the movie Throw Mamma From the Train???
    [13:24:05] <scmorgan> : Yes, lots of junk...but more good than bad and easy to unsubscribe:)
    [13:24:17] <budtheteacher> : I used to think differently - but I do think you need conversation. Comments don't always mean conversation.
    [13:24:20] <dkuropatwa> : @Budtheteacher That's true, but there's lots of "bad" content on tv, radio and in newspapers. You choose the ones that have best value by reading what they write over time.
    [13:24:27] <sharonp> : how can Gary say what actions I do or do not do because of my blog??
    [13:24:34] <willrich45> : @ryanbretag. Yes, it's being recorded
    [13:24:42] <budtheteacher> : @dkuropatwa: Yes. But I wish that, with a new medium, came a new way of working.
    [13:24:44] <scottswanson> : I think the point is, better we use tools that facilitate higher order thinking and better content by their very nature
    [13:24:45] <mjmontagne> : @chrischampion--I'm trying to start small...develop pockets of use in students, teachers, and administrators...plant the seed, you know/?
    [13:24:46] <sharonp> : how does he know whether or not I am taking action?
    [13:24:52] <budtheteacher> : That doesn't always happen.
    [13:25:00] <ryanbretag> : @djakes ty
    [13:25:11] <budtheteacher> : i've got to run -when's the de-brief?
    [13:25:14] <willrich45> : glenbrook technology letting you down?
    [13:25:14] <scmorgan> : I hope people don't think blogs are too much trouble. I need the reflection not found on Twitter
    [13:25:21] <JenniferWagner> : sharon -- will said in an earlier class today that there are not a lot of female bloggers -- :)
    [13:25:28] <chrischampion> : @mjmontagne - I try to pass on what I learn to fellow teachers when the info seems pertinent to them
    [13:25:36] <willrich45> : willrich45 is actually david jakes, for those of you adding in later
    [13:25:36] <dkuropatwa> : @Bud Well, I think my blog is just one piece of my online learning network. It should be examined in the larger context in which it occurs.
    [13:25:39] <mjmontagne> : @chrischamp-I think the seed will grow fast though...unlike other changes in past
    [13:25:40] <shoemap> : WOW sleddogs!
    [13:25:46] <dkuropatwa> : Cheers Bud!
    [13:25:49] <JenniferWagner> : hmmmm
    [13:25:53] <sharonp> : @Jen, I think there is a larger gender issue here as well
    [13:26:00] <willrich45> : Do you think the blogosphere is an ecochamber?
    [13:26:08] <budtheteacher> : @dkuropatwa: Yes. Exactly. But that's not always happening.
    [13:26:12] <dkuropatwa> : @willrich45 It can be.
    [13:26:15] <ryanbretag> : @djakes ;-)
    [13:26:20] <sroustan> : @djakes no it is a choir loft
    [13:26:22] <kpruitt> : every one...Yep
    [13:26:25] <sroustan> : the choir loft to which we preach
    [13:26:28] <sharonp> : for some a community, for others, an echo chamber
    [13:26:31] <cchausis> : @djakes... btw -- you are doing a great job of managing the backchannel!
    [13:26:32] <budtheteacher> : @willrich45: It doesn't have to be - but it often is.
    [13:26:34] <scmorgan> : djakes-sometimes...everyone picks up on the "new" topic and posts
    [13:26:46] <willrich45> : Darren, willrich45 is djakes
    [13:26:47] <budtheteacher> : Take care, y'all - dragging myself away - what a great group in a great conversation.
    [13:26:58] <JenniferWagner> : bye bud
    [13:26:58] <kpruitt> : We all have slightly different audiences, yes?
    [13:26:59] <sharonp> : thanks for coming along, Bud - nice to see you again
    [13:27:01] <willrich45> : bud: is beinig recorded
    [13:27:03] <dkuropatwa> : See ya Bud! Great, as always, chatiing with you. ;-)
    [13:27:09] <sroustan> : cya bud
    [13:27:14] <willrich45> : now they are going
    [13:27:15] <dhammond> : Gosh, hate to leave this...have had one foot out the door for half an hour...take notes folks :-)
    [13:27:27] <dkuropatwa> : Cheers Diane!
    [13:27:30] <ryanbretag> : Right on Will!
    [13:27:52] <JenniferWagner> : is it concluding??
    [13:27:58] <ryanbretag> : Death of the Author
    [13:28:06] <sharonp> : yikes, has it almost been an hour already!!??
    [13:28:14] <scmorgan> : Will shifts in his seat:)
    [13:28:14] <atruger> : LOL
    [13:28:14] <mjmontagne> : battle to the death!!!
    [13:28:15] <chrischampion> : they don't read each other?
    [13:28:17] <chrischampion> : LOL
    [13:28:17] <sharonp> : cya Diane
    [13:28:20] <willrich45> : uh oh
    [13:28:26] <JenniferWagner> : ach wants to have the last word
    [13:28:36] <JenniferWagner> : go will
    [13:28:43] <scottswanson> : Will is doing a good face-save, though.
    [13:28:52] <kpruitt> : They should both respond to a Warlick post :)
    [13:28:59] <willrich45> : LOL
    [13:29:03] <JenniferWagner> : what does the audience vibe feel like??
    [13:29:04] <mjmontagne> : would love to have will come talk to our school...parents and teachers!!!
    [13:29:04] <atruger> : rofl
    [13:29:27] <JenniferWagner> : are tehy going to open up for questions
    [13:29:30] <nandikerri> : thanks for the collegiality all- gotta run, :)
    [13:29:34] <sharonp> : I don't mind arguments, disagreements, just please could we do it with grace and dignity?
    [13:29:47] <dkuropatwa> : You can't subscribe to everyone. I choose my subscriptions so that they act as filters for me and point me to importnat posts when they come up. Otherwise I'm always clicking [mark all as read]
    [13:29:59] <scottswanson> : Odd statement coming from Gary, in a way.
    [13:30:24] <scmorgan> : Good questions, though
    [13:30:41] <chrischampion> : Like "Wikiality"?
    [13:30:49] <willrich45> : we need to move past gee whiz
    [13:31:16] <dkuropatwa> : Gary has a confused argument here. To me he is saying contradicoty things.
    [13:31:24] <scottswanson> : Now, this is a great point he's making.
    [13:31:33] <mjmontagne> : why are kids pushing wooden instrucments around desks!! great
    [13:31:41] <sroustan> : dang. got booted out
    [13:31:53] <chrischampion> : Always a pleasure to listen/watch
    [13:31:54] <sroustan> : and i'm logged in and it says that i'm not
    [13:31:54] <scottswanson> : *clap* Thanks, David, for facilitating this side
    [13:31:55] <mjmontagne> : that was awesmome
    [13:31:56] <JenniferWagner> : Thank you for ustreaming this WIkk45
    [13:31:57] <dkuropatwa> : Good dialogue here and over there <----
    [13:31:59] <sharonp> : applause
    [13:32:02] <mjmontagne> : great blog topic for all of us!
    [13:32:03] <sroustan> : thanks@djakes
    [13:32:05] <dkuropatwa> : Thanks Dave!
    [13:32:06] <atruger> : CLap clap
    [13:32:07] <marsenault> : Thanks Dave
    [13:32:08] <ryanbretag> : Thanks Mr. Jakes
    [13:32:10] <chrischampion> : thanks David
    [13:32:14] <jimwenz> : Thanks David
    [13:32:15] <kpruitt> : ty
    [13:32:16] <JenniferWagner> : thanks DJ
    [13:32:19] <sharonp> : not sure what was more enjoyable - the debate or the chat here!
    [13:32:20] <dkuropatwa> : So long all.
    [13:32:25] <sharonp> : thanks Dave
    [13:32:27] <JenniferWagner> : was there a debate??
    [13:32:28] <JenniferWagner> : LOL
    [13:32:32] <robinellis> : thanks djakes
    [13:32:32] <sroustan> : debate?
    [13:32:33] <scottswanson> : That was a debate? I thought it was 1 hour friendly jibefest
    [13:32:35] <sroustan> : bye ya'll
    [13:32:37] <mrmosesdotorg> : great job, jakes
    [13:32:45] <chrischampion> : Safe drive, Will
    [13:33:01] <ggrinnell> : Thanks, David. This was my first Ustream experience.
    [13:33:01] <willrich45> : there you go everyone, a BIG thank you, chat will be up later, check wills account to see archive
    [13:33:11] <kpruitt> : I need more lights at my presentations
    [13:33:15] <kpruitt> : bye all
    [13:33:20] <sharonp> : would you mind twittering the url, Dave? Thanks!
    [13:33:21] <marsenault> : bye all
    [13:33:22] <srvilly> : @sharon you said it SharonP, It was hard listening to them talk while reading all the great discussion. Thanks to all!
    [13:33:22] <scottswanson> : Keynotes, they get you the big lights.
    [13:33:34] <scottswanson> : Take care all -- wonderful backchannel
    [13:33:50] <chrischampion> : @scottswanson and all... very true. Nice backchannel

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