02:03 mrsdurff : off topic - loved the wedding pics!
02:03 carolinegoodman : new to ustream. too cool
02:03 Jackson224 : okay
02:03 hawaiianbrat96 : I am new to ustream also
02:04 mrsdurff : he did hit record, right?
02:04 snbeach : smile to Lisa
02:04 snbeach : yes he is recording
02:04 hawaiianbrat96 : He said he did
02:04 mrsdurff : good
02:04 erhubbell : hi Tony Davis
02:07 mrsdurff : that is Skype doing that choppiness - nothing to be done i think
02:07 willrich45-2 : is it bad?
02:07 mrsdurff : yup
02:07 Jackson224 : broken audio
02:07 erhubbell : little hard to understand
02:07 hawaiianbrat96 : choppy, hard to understand
02:08 Jackson224 : try with just his video?
02:08 willrich45-2 : k
02:08 julener : Loving this...I am getting 10 computers now for one of the schools in Tanzania that I work with...
02:08 mrsdurff : Ghana?
02:08 julener : And, I have more coming for other schools.
02:08 mrsdurff : wow
02:08 hawaiianbrat96 : That is awesome!
02:09 Jackson224 : great!
02:09 julener : I've sent some before, but they need updated.
02:09 snbeach : I can live with it
02:09 eherreid : a little choppy from curtis
02:09 snbeach : it is doable
02:09 julener : I can live ith it.
02:09 eherreid : can live with it
02:09 mrsdurff : you might try to re-establish the call
02:09 Jackson224 : same...
02:09 snbeach : hi everyone
02:09 hawaiianbrat96 : It is okay, still choppy
02:09 maiden : you- perfect him- little choppy
02:09 snbeach : I am Sheryl
02:09 mrsdurff : yes snbeach it is worth it
02:10 snbeach : Do any of you have questions for Curtis? I can start to compile them and feed to Will
02:10 snbeach : just type them here
02:11 mrsdurff : where is the url to purchase his book?
02:11 julener : Now, I'm trying to get a set of MacBooks for the regional office of Jane Goodalll's Roots & Shoots in Kigoma (near Gombe) so students can make documentaries...
02:12 mrsdurff : exactly - let them construct their learnings
02:12 mrsdurff : the bleeding edge
02:12 hawaiianbrat96 : learning by doing
02:12 mrsdurff : ouch
02:13 mrsdurff : there is learning in establishing the connection to begin with
02:13 mrsdurff : connectivism
02:13 hawaiianbrat96 : constructivism and connectivism
02:14 snbeach : It is an emergent theory
02:14 mrsdurff : it's a process
02:14 snbeach : intuitively it makes great sense.
02:14 hawaiianbrat96 : It does
02:14 mrsdurff : we are doing that
02:14 snbeach : Any questions for Curtis
02:15 mrsdurff : we are constructing our learnings by being here
02:15 hawaiianbrat96 : The only question I have Sheryl is where could I purchase his books?
02:15 snbeach : We will post the titles sec
02:15 mrsdurff : where will the book by on sale - is there an url?
02:15 robinheyden-1 : A question for Curtis: Can he give us a specific example of a strong activity (perhaps from his new book?) for techers to use to facilitate online learning for students. In my conversations with teachers, I'm often in need of a quick, cogent, and powerful example to show them what I mean.
02:15 maiden : good question
02:16 snbeach : http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Curtis%20J.%20Bonk&page=1\
02:16 mrsdurff : thanks
02:16 hawaiianbrat96 : Thanks Sheryl
02:17 snbeach : I have it hawaiian and have passed it to Will
02:17 mrsdurff : Joh Sealy Brown - does he have a website?
02:18 julener : http://php.indiana.edu/~cjbonk/
02:18 willrich45-2 : too choppy?
02:18 mrsdurff : wearing a headset may improve audio
02:19 hawaiianbrat96 : better
02:19 mrsdurff : yes
02:20 Jackson224 : Audio is good but the reverb happens when without headset
02:20 snbeach : more is more I love it
02:20 snbeach : Have him stay close-- it sounds better.
02:20 hawaiianbrat96 : I noticed he is scooting back and it is getting a little choppy again
02:20 mrsdurff : he gets focused in the words and that is wonderful
02:21 hawaiianbrat96 : Question: What would Curtis offer as advice for those teachers who are not ready to get on board with online learning and integrating such skills into the classroom? I find I am constantly bumping into teachers like this.
02:21 mrsdurff : is the world really flat?
02:22 hawaiianbrat96 : lol -with the older educators, yes, in technological sense
02:22 mrsdurff : yes me too
02:22 mrkimmi : I think we are all finding teachers like that...
02:22 mrsdurff : hi kimmi
02:22 mrkimmi : I doubt there is any one way to reach them.
02:22 mrkimmi : Hello durffinator
02:22 mrsdurff : not just older ones
02:22 hawaiianbrat96 : I am a pre-service teacher and it aggrevates me that my college boasts online learning and integrated technology into educaton and I get to observe teachers who are opposed to it completely
02:22 hawaiianbrat96 : True, not just older, just those who are not computer literate
02:23 snbeach : open up your hearts to each other- informal nature.. all key strengths for online CoP
02:23 mrsdurff : i see pre-service who are so opposed to tech
02:23 hawaiianbrat96 : Really?
02:23 mrkimmi : I think it depends on what shcool you attend
02:23 mrsdurff : project based learning = constructing your own knowledge ?
02:23 snbeach : I was quoting him as he talked -- not my ideas
02:23 hawaiianbrat96 : My college is all for it. When it is first introduced, they are hesitant, but once they see it in action, they are on board.
02:24 mrsdurff : no audio
02:24 mrsdurff : he is baack
02:24 snbeach : there is something about learning through immersion
02:24 hawaiianbrat96 : learning by doing - my motto
02:24 mrsdurff : yes -= it engages
02:24 erhubbell : i think a lot of pre-service teachers are users of technology themselves, but aren't necessarily taught how to use it with students
02:24 hawaiianbrat96 : Well, I am sure it was coined somewhere else. lol
02:24 snbeach : Those of us who have been at this awhile all cut our teeth on Papert
02:25 snbeach : Amen
02:25 hawaiianbrat96 : True, I know many of my peers are still trying to understand how to integrate it, but are at least open to it.
02:25 mrkimmi : I agree wiht erhubbel
02:25 mharlan : it needs to meet learners (teachers) where they are at and when they need it in order to be effective, love the informal nature commentd he made
02:25 mrsdurff : what does he think about Heppell's idea of "nearly there" and how do those spaces affect learning?
02:25 mrkimmi : Bringin in the rleuctant, I think you have create some sort of situation where it becomes important to them
02:25 hawaiianbrat96 : I always feel like a techie-geek when I do my presentations and lessons in peer classes because I integrate a lot of technology
02:25 mharlan : kimmi- exactly
02:25 snbeach : I am so intrigued by Roger- I would love to work with him on projects.
02:25 mrsdurff : really?
02:26 mrsdurff : not hearsd of papert?
02:26 erhubbell : mrkimmi - agreed. Create a "want" and "need" for integration
02:26 mrsdurff : and they went to college?
02:26 hawaiianbrat96 : I agree with that also mrkimmi and erhubble
02:26 mrkimmi : We find reasons to come here for what we want, they need to come for themselves
02:26 snbeach : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Papert
02:26 hawaiianbrat96 : The Internet is such a great source to be adaptable to all learning styles
02:26 erhubbell : YES!
02:26 hawaiianbrat96 : That alone is a great tool!
02:26 hawaiianbrat96 : mrkimmi - agreed!
02:27 mrsdurff : Qt: what does he think about Heppell's idea of "nearly there" and how do those spaces affect learning?
02:27 snbeach : we now have the tools available to support what Papert dreamed very easily
02:27 mrkimmi : Show them how they can communicate with family that lives far away
02:27 mrkimmi : or how they can connect with other knitters, or what ever their hobby is
02:27 hawaiianbrat96 : Expansive!
02:28 snbeach : My favorite book by Papert- # Mindstorms: Children, Computers, and Powerful Ideas, 1980, ISBN 0-465-04674-6
02:28 hawaiianbrat96 : We just got my husband's aunt - almost 60 - on the laptop and Internet this summer and she is so for it! Others her age in her area are frightened! LOL
02:28 mrsdurff : ok then we see it
02:28 erhubbell : @snbeach hear, hear!
02:28 hawaiianbrat96 : Awesome zoom.
02:28 julener : And, how to you get teachers engaged in global education and collaboration...when they are still focused on their own curriculum, etc.
02:29 mrkimmi : I like what he is saying
02:29 julener : Salt the hay...??
02:29 mrkimmi : move tech into a low-risk area in the day
02:29 mrkimmi : Don't start with reading or math, a place being tested by NCLB
02:29 hawaiianbrat96 : julener - very good question. Many of us teachers have curriculum set up around 'the test'. How do you incorporate into that?
02:29 erhubbell : much clearer!
02:29 mrsdurff : so just by constant exposure is what one does with reluctant tech integrators
02:30 hawaiianbrat96 : YAY! CLEAR!
02:30 snbeach : I used Curtis' mentoring characteristics as a piece of my mentorhsip research
02:30 mrsdurff : it was the Skype demons
02:30 hawaiianbrat96 : lol
02:30 mharlan : find the tools that work within the standards,
02:30 julener : yes...in fact, I did a retreat for Indiana Supertintendents on web 2.0 and also on global ed...and how do we still address state testing was the big question.
02:30 snbeach : http://www.curriki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
02:30 mharlan : it is there, you can use the tools to still meet the areas being tested
02:31 julener : How do we change the system to address the way students need to learn.
02:31 hawaiianbrat96 : It is hard to do, especially in school districts like mine. I am in Las Vegas NV - they are very hesitant to do it more than school by school basis.
02:31 cbeard : Julener, start with something simple: wikis and vocabulary.
02:31 cbeard : Everyone teaches vocabulary. It's a good entry point.
02:31 mrsdurff : what about those who don't have access are not included in this flat world?
02:31 cbeard : Things can develop from there.
02:31 TS92turbo : SHUT THE <censored> UP NERDS
02:31 TS92turbo : LOL
02:31 TS92turbo : <censored> NERDS
02:32 TS92turbo : SHUT UP <censored>
02:32 TS92turbo : big nose!
02:32 TS92turbo : NERD <censored>
02:32 TS92turbo : WOOOOO!
02:32 mrsdurff : we need a moderator
02:32 mrkimmi : Shouldn't someone have taught this person some ethics
02:32 hawaiianbrat96 : Starting small is definitely key
02:32 julener : Yep...I teach that and share the basics in keynotes and workshops. But, the bigger picture of fixing the testing system looms...
02:32 mrsdurff : UbD?
02:33 hawaiianbrat96 : I suppose that guy would be the reason why some districts are hesitant about online collaboration and learning
02:33 hawaiianbrat96 : Understanding By Design?
02:33 hawaiianbrat96 : UBD?
02:33 mrsdurff : ustream allows moderation
02:33 julener : Grant Wiggins' book - backwards design
02:33 hawaiianbrat96 : I love project-based learning
02:33 mrsdurff : Universal Desiogn - Grant Wiggins & Somenbody McTighe
02:34 julener : Agreed
02:34 hawaiianbrat96 : Students, especially once they get into middle and high school, do not get enough of it
02:34 snbeach : Need to show growth over time
02:34 snbeach : not grades
02:34 snbeach : not one end measure
02:34 hawaiianbrat96 : I agree!
02:34 julener : I love the comment he made at the beginning about the kind of knowledge and learning changing...
02:35 hawaiianbrat96 : Go Web 2.0! :D
02:35 snbeach : http://mediatedcultures.net/ksudigg/?author=1
02:35 mrkimmi : You know what is funny, I went to Kansas State and did not here about Mike Welsh until I was out for three years
02:35 julener : With that, testing seems to need to change to something that shows that students know how to contsruct knowledge, find information, have digital literacy, yada yada...
02:35 hawaiianbrat96 : I have heard his name in passing
02:36 hawaiianbrat96 : Our testing is for the stone ages compared to what the students need to be prepared for the world outside of high school
02:36 snbeach : I would love to know some of the titles on his bookshelf
02:36 snbeach : behind him
02:36 hawaiianbrat96 : I have been thinking that this whole time Sheryl! LOL
02:36 mrsdurff : he should do a Shelfari
02:36 hawaiianbrat96 : Then again, I am a bookworm
02:37 mharlan : I love the comments on ebook idea - awesome
02:37 mharlan : like diigo or clipmarks kind of
02:38 julener : Love Flips! The students at Suumu Secondary School in TZ took my flip and shot video all day!!
02:38 mrkimmi : Sounds liek the smae struggle we are having with conferences releasing their content freely
02:39 hawaiianbrat96 : YES! BOOKS!
02:39 mrkimmi : Silly fingers of mine
02:39 hawaiianbrat96 : bottom
02:40 mrsdurff : this one's for you
02:40 hawaiianbrat96 : lol
02:40 hawaiianbrat96 : please
02:40 hawaiianbrat96 : LOL Nice!
02:41 hawaiianbrat96 : My aunt has that book on her shelf in Hawaii
02:41 mrsdurff : ha the conversations
02:41 mrsdurff : bingo
02:42 mrsdurff : but there is tenure
02:42 mrsdurff : stops innovation
02:42 wjohnsen : snbeach -- you share the article from Monday's paper about VB strat. plan?
02:43 mrsdurff : that is where the cutting edge is located
02:43 mrsdurff : in the flow
02:43 mrsdurff : that russian guy said about flow
02:43 snbeach : no wjohnsen- do you have the link?
02:44 erhubbell : Mihály Csíkszentmihályi
02:44 hawaiianbrat96 : definitely ecclectic
02:44 mrsdurff : yea him
02:44 mrsdurff : hi jack
02:44 snbeach : hi Jack
02:44 erhubbell : hi jack
02:45 hawaiianbrat96 : Hello Jack!
02:45 mrsdurff : how does he put up with Bonk?
02:45 wjohnsen : snbeach..can't find it right now..have a pdf
02:45 mrsdurff : like MITOpencourseware
02:45 snbeach : YES!
02:46 snbeach : Open aCCESS to scholarly articles is huge
02:46 mrsdurff : i listen to iTunesOnline often
02:46 mrsdurff : ERIC is going online too
02:46 wjohnsen : snbeach - found it.
02:46 mrsdurff : used to be those machines in libraries
02:47 mrsdurff : they always broke on me
02:47 snbeach : share it bill
02:47 hawaiianbrat96 : Thanks for sharing Jack!
02:47 wjohnsen : From local paper... http://hamptonroads.com/node/474341
02:47 snbeach : type in where you are
02:47 mrsdurff : Maryland
02:47 mrkimmi : Salina, KS
02:47 julener : Mem;phis, TN
02:47 wjohnsen : Vrignia Beach
02:47 erhubbell : McREL in Denver, CO
02:47 hawaiianbrat96 : Las Vegas, NV
02:47 snbeach : virginia Beach
02:47 mharlan : california
02:47 robinheyden : Boston, Ma
02:47 ewargo : Medford, NJ
02:47 Jackson224 : Boston
02:47 cbeard : Indiana
02:47 maiden : NC
02:47 eherreid : winston salem, nc
02:47 gkennedy : Philadelphia PA
02:47 mrsdurff : bye jack
02:47 heatherdowd : Dixon, Illinois
02:48 hawaiianbrat96 : I can barely hear you Will
02:48 willrich45-2 : can someone remember to copy and save the chat please....
02:48 snbeach : turn up your volume
02:48 mrsdurff : turn your volume up
02:48 snbeach : I got it Will
02:48 willrich45-2 : how is that?
02:48 mrsdurff : perfect
02:48 Jackson224 : good audio now
02:48 erhubbell : http://www.plos.org/
02:48 hawaiianbrat96 : It is up LOL
02:49 mrsdurff : but if people dont' have enough to eat how will they ever access anything?
02:49 hawaiianbrat96 : very true
02:50 snbeach : That has been going on since public school was first created though
02:50 mrsdurff : If one is caught in a wrinkle as the wrinkles close to form this flat world your opportunities to escape the wrinkles decrease while those on top in the flat world ignore you more and more
02:51 mrsdurff : there is an equity problem here
02:51 mrsdurff : how will we address that?
02:52 erhubbell : i know that PBS Kids is already trying to create early learning software for cell phones
02:52 hawaiianbrat96 : The gap between SES classes is always going to be an issue
02:53 mrsdurff : in 1st world countries the impact of cell phones will be great but not in 3rd world countries nor with those at the bottom in 1st world countries - they are still going to fighting for survival
02:53 mrkimmi : We will alwawys have to struggle with gettign students to see them as learning tools
02:53 hawaiianbrat96 : That is the advantage of being industrialized, we will always look for ways to move forward. In unindustrialized countries, they are just pushing forward to survive
02:53 snbeach : That has always been an issue Durff- just before the technologies were tractors or pencils or running water
02:54 snbeach : there will always be haves and have nots with technology
02:54 mrkimmi : THey have spent so much time on them for fun, we have to get them to do some unlearning
02:54 mrsdurff : we need to address it sheryl
02:54 hawaiianbrat96 : very rue mrkimmi
02:54 hawaiianbrat96 : true*
02:54 hawaiianbrat96 : Did you hear that China surpassed how many people they have online compared to the US?
02:54 mrsdurff : with that many minds in the conversation surely we could think of something to ameliorate
02:55 snbeach : we are-- many of us very actively.. the point though is that we need to push hard forward
02:55 snbeach : YES
02:55 snbeach : I present on that
02:55 snbeach : no
02:55 hawaiianbrat96 : The students use texting and iPods for entertainment, we need to find a way to make the happy medium work in the classroom
02:55 mrsdurff : you are in the minority sheryl
02:55 snbeach : http://www.greenstar.org/butterflies/Hole-in-the-Wall.htm
02:55 ewargo : Don't we have a responsibility especially with proliferation of technology to make sure the content, teaching, and learning is quality and not just replacing poor instruction?
02:56 snbeach : no I meant I present on Hole in the Wall
02:56 mrsdurff : google is the surface web
02:56 mrsdurff : what about the deep web?
02:56 snbeach : But I am not in the minority of those looking hard at the digital divide
02:56 mrsdurff : i would hope not
02:56 mrsdurff : but it is not what i observe
02:57 snbeach : http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/india/thestory.html
02:57 vvrotny : coming in late, what is the book that he is refering too and how can I obtain it.
02:57 snbeach : love the video clip
02:57 mrsdurff : hi vinnie
02:58 snbeach : vvrotny.. sorry we cant tell you .. it is secret.. wink
02:58 hawaiianbrat96 : Oh geez, I have online classes through my college, even if we have a campus class.
02:58 hawaiianbrat96 : lol
02:58 snbeach : http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Curtis%20J.%20Bonk&page=1
02:58 vvrotny : @sheryl, thanks alot.
02:59 snbeach : I think co-creation of learning objects will be more impactive
02:59 mrsdurff : MERLOT?
02:59 snbeach : http://www.merlot.org/merlot/index.htm
03:00 mrsdurff : one can access encyclopedia's online via local libraries too
03:00 snbeach : communities thrive when they are built around co-creation
03:00 mrsdurff : and EBSCO
03:00 heatherdowd : Wisc-online is another good repository like merlot.
03:01 mrkimmi : Bob Sprankle was using that.
03:01 snbeach : repositories and portals bore me-- but then it is probably just me
03:01 heatherdowd : http://www.wisc-online.com/
03:01 hawaiianbrat96 : I use LibraryThing. You can access your library on your mobile phone
03:02 mrsdurff : if you want to pay to access the web via cellphone co
03:03 hawaiianbrat96 : Well, mine comes with it. It comes in handy if I am looking for new books by an author in my library but cannot remember who it is or what book I am comparing to
03:03 mrsdurff : SL?
03:03 mrsdurff : wait
03:03 mrsdurff : not that hard
03:03 mrsdurff : if I can sl anyone can
03:04 heatherdowd : Is library thing like shelfari?
03:04 hawaiianbrat96 : Yes
03:04 heatherdowd : Is librarything the one that Dr. Bonk just mentioned? I missed it.
03:04 mrsdurff : yes
03:04 hawaiianbrat96 : Yes
03:04 snbeach : yes
03:04 heatherdowd : thank you.
03:04 hawaiianbrat96 : www.librarything.com
03:06 snbeach : transparency of thought too
03:06 mrsdurff : Qt: Is visualisation of thought the same or different than visual literacy? What does he think?
03:06 erhubbell : Wordle
03:06 erhubbell : LivePlasam
03:07 erhubbell : plasma, sorry
03:08 mrsdurff : clap clap clap
03:08 hawaiianbrat96 : Thank you Curtis!
03:08 ewargo : Thanks Will and Curtis! It was great conversation.
03:08 heatherdowd : Could someone list the name the book again please?
03:08 mrkimmi : Thanks!
03:08 erhubbell : <applause>
03:08 heatherdowd : Thank you!!!
03:08 hawaiianbrat96 : applause, applause!
03:08 robinheyden : Thank you - really interesting!
03:08 erhubbell : thank you Will & Curtis!
03:08 mrsdurff : and there they go................bye
03:09 eherreid : thank you both
03:09 hawaiianbrat96 : Now, that was an awesome experience for me